Dragon kris ID?

Marcokeris · 8th May 2012, 01:43 PM

Possible to see the hilt? Thanks

mykeris · 8th May 2012, 02:12 PM

Appreciate, if you all could be kind enough to post some real naga gold kerises made before the independence of Indonesia, it would help to strengthen my knowledge of javanese naga kerises. tq in advance.

Marcokeris · 8th May 2012, 07:55 PM

From pic the banjar hilt seems old with (probably) two new blue stones. Nice hilt
:-)

Jean · 8th May 2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Appreciate, if you all could be kind enough to post some real naga gold kerises made before the independence of Indonesia, it would help to strengthen my knowledge of javanese naga kerises. tq in advance.

Such krisses cost a fortune (in the range of 100,000 USD but could vary significantly from one piece to another according to the age and quality) so unfortunately I have none to show

You can view some specimens in the kris books (e.g. Keris Jawa) or museums but many of them are from 20th century.
Regards

David · 9th May 2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

You can view some specimens in the kris books (e.g. Keris Jawa) or museums but many of them are from 20th century.

You can see a couple of nice examples on pgs. 29 and 163 in Court Arts of Indonesia if you are interested.
I agree with others that yours is contemporary (post Independence and most probably post 1970s) and the Banjarmasin hilt is inappropriate for this form.

mykeris · 10th May 2012, 10:22 AM

Agreed with you David

but I have another guess perhaps prior to 1950s - 1960s based on its its medium size, 'garapan'(handwork) quality and its 'natural looking' dragon keris. Sure, the hilt should be of Javanese nature.

Tq again...mykeris.

David · 10th May 2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Agreed with you David

but I have another guess perhaps prior to 1950s - 1960s based on its its medium size, 'garapan'(handwork) quality and its 'natural looking' dragon keris. Sure, the hilt should be of Javanese nature.

Tq again...mykeris.

Do you care to be more specific about your guess? What exactly about the garap do you see as a clue to this? What are the sources of the keris you are comparing it to in this last post? And why do you keep calling a naga a "dragon"?

mykeris · 10th May 2012, 02:13 PM

Perhaps, it looks natural, sorry no reference, through 'feel', it coud be not appropriate & acurate

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mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Empu made Naga Keris Appreciate, if you all could be kind enough to post some real naga gold kerises made before the independence of Indonesia, it would help to strengthen my knowledge of javanese naga kerises. tq in advance.

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mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Agreed with you David but I have another guess perhaps prior to 1950s - 1960s based on its its medium size, 'garapan'(handwork) quality and its 'natural looking' dragon keris. Sure, the hilt should be of Javanese nature. Tq again...mykeris. Attached Images

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Possible to see the hilt? Thanks

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	From pic the banjar hilt seems old with (probably) two new blue stones. Nice hilt :-)

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mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Perhaps, it looks natural, sorry no reference, through 'feel', it coud be not appropriate & acurate