FLINTLOCK GUN WITH CHRISTIAN 7 MARK FOR ID

Matchlock · 30th April 2012, 03:37 PM

Btw, could we please see a close-up of your m. 1774 musket, with the cock in the safety-catch position and the frizzen covering the pan?
It seems to me that even the amber-colored flint, together with its lead lining, might originally belong! The flint appears to have been fired a bit blunt, which is often the case with such genuine old-time accouterments.

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Cerjak · 2nd May 2012, 07:58 PM

Dear Michael,

Again thank you for your precious help and those scans from this book showing the caliber and sizes from the different danish models.
So according to "Claude Blair, European and American Arms" it is a M1794 (1440 mm and caliber 17.7mm an) could you tell me witch one it is in this scan .
But from http://norskevaapen.no/?p=551 the m1794 dont have the same triggergard so I still have a problem !
I hope that the photos I will add are the close-up you was expecting.
Kind regards

Cerjak

Matchlock · 2nd May 2012, 08:19 PM

Thank you, Cerjak,

For the additional images and information. The flint may be the original - what do you think?

It is a pity that 18th c. military guns are too late a subject for me to be really good at; thus I did not notice the differences in the trigger guards. From my former experiences with Austrian and Bavarian 18th c. flintlock muskets though (which was some 30 years ago) I learned that minor differences, such as a 'modernized' trigger guard on an earlier model, seem to have been quite normal with arsenal arms. Basic criteria, like the shape of the lock, are essential.

In Blair's scans attached below, you can see both models 1774 (top) and 1794.

Best,
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Cerjak · 4th May 2012, 06:05 PM

Thank you Michael

difficult to see a difference between this two model !
I will try to buy this book..
Like you I think that it may be the original flint.
Regards

Cerjak

Matchlock · 4th May 2012, 09:09 PM

The buttstock of the m. 1774 is a bit shorter and the trigger guard of the m. 1794 a bit smaller but the diffferences are minor indeed.

The book, among others, is available at amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/European-Ameri.../dp/B0006CLEOI

Best,
m

30th April 2012, 03:37 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Btw, could we please see a close-up of your m. 1774 musket, with the cock in the safety-catch position and the frizzen covering the pan? It seems to me that even the amber-colored flint, together with its lead lining, might originally belong! The flint appears to have been fired a bit blunt, which is often the case with such genuine old-time accouterments. m Last edited by Matchlock; 30th April 2012 at 04:03 PM.

2nd May 2012, 07:58 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	m1794 Dear Michael, Again thank you for your precious help and those scans from this book showing the caliber and sizes from the different danish models. So according to "Claude Blair, European and American Arms" it is a M1794 (1440 mm and caliber 17.7mm an) could you tell me witch one it is in this scan . But from http://norskevaapen.no/?p=551 the m1794 dont have the same triggergard so I still have a problem ! I hope that the photos I will add are the close-up you was expecting. Kind regards Cerjak Attached Images

2nd May 2012, 08:19 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you, Cerjak, For the additional images and information. The flint may be the original - what do you think? It is a pity that 18th c. military guns are too late a subject for me to be really good at; thus I did not notice the differences in the trigger guards. From my former experiences with Austrian and Bavarian 18th c. flintlock muskets though (which was some 30 years ago) I learned that minor differences, such as a 'modernized' trigger guard on an earlier model, seem to have been quite normal with arsenal arms. Basic criteria, like the shape of the lock, are essential. In Blair's scans attached below, you can see both models 1774 (top) and 1794. Best, m Attached Images

4th May 2012, 06:05 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Thank you Thank you Michael difficult to see a difference between this two model ! I will try to buy this book.. Like you I think that it may be the original flint. Regards Cerjak

4th May 2012, 09:09 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The buttstock of the m. 1774 is a bit shorter and the trigger guard of the m. 1794 a bit smaller but the diffferences are minor indeed. The book, among others, is available at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/European-Ameri.../dp/B0006CLEOI Best, m