Maghrebi Moroccan Nimcha??

[A.alnakkas]

Good point Gene, but I dont fully agree.. It is still possible that this is a made up (or mish mash) piece but there are differences between this blade and modern indian ones, but the most obvious is the lack of an indian ricasso thingy.

I am no expert in the field of patterns, but it seems to me that the blade is old, was heavily rusty, cleaned and then etched. The pattern can be seen moving consistantly between "normal" parts and the pitted parts as if it isnt effected by the age wear which have created the pitting. The blade tip seems to be reshaped.

Regardless, I like the piece anyways, probably was a looker back in the day ;-)

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Good point Gene, but I dont fully agree.. It is still possible that this is a made up (or mish mash) piece but there are differences between this blade and modern indian ones, but the most obvious is the lack of an indian ricasso thingy.

I am no expert in the field of patterns, but it seems to me that the blade is old, was heavily rusty, cleaned and then etched. The pattern can be seen moving consistantly between "normal" parts and the pitted parts as if it isnt effected by the age wear which have created the pitting. The blade tip seems to be reshaped.

Regardless, I like the piece anyways, probably was a looker back in the day ;-)

Hi Lotfy,

They are hand made and individual items mate. There are blank damascus tulwar blades with no ricasso for sale on everyones favourite auction site right now (more steeply curved).
I don't see any areas of corrosion that would indicate a long period of oxidisation. I could produce that effect in a very short time, a few weeks at most.
But like I say, just my 2p! I could be wrong.

Best
Gene

P.S. here's one from completed items, not for sale now (previosly sold) so it doesn't breech the rules for posting.

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Lotfy,

They are hand made and individual items mate. There are blank damascus tulwar blades with no ricasso for sale on everyones favourite auction site right now (more steeply curved).
I don't see any areas of corrosion that would indicate a long period of oxidisation. I could produce that effect in a very short time, a few weeks at most.
But like I say, just my 2p! I could be wrong.

Best
Gene

P.S. here's one from completed items, not for sale now (previosly sold) so it doesn't breech the rules for posting.

I see. Yeah I think your right. But what about the fittings? Maybe someone ha spare nimcha parts :P

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

I see. Yeah I think your right. But what about the fittings? Maybe someone ha spare nimcha parts :P

Hi Lotfy,

It could have been made that way in India or by an Indian in Morocco even.
The indian workshops turning out this type of blade are making a very wide variety of styles of both blades and fittings.
Lets see what the others think?

ATB
Gene

[Atlantia]

Steve,

You're a steel buff. Give it a flex and see if it's tempered, have a little scratch at the edge with a needle file and see how hard it is etc.

ATB
Gene

[archer]

Thanks for the input The washed out areas are mostly on one side. Hanging on a cold wall scabbard rusting?? At this stage would a light etch to even out the patchy areas be O.K.? I don't see any tempering lines. I was puzzled by the edge bluntness maybe 1/100 of INCH showing steel layers I'm a steel nut and not that familar swords. I thought it might have been blunted at some time. I don't see the normal sharpening scratches, just the tapering done during forging. Steve

Gene, Just saw your blade post this pattern is far more random.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by archer

Thanks for the input The washed out areas are mostly on one side. Hanging on a cold wall scabbard rusting?? At this stage would a light etch to even out the patchy areas be O.K.? I don't see any tempering lines. I was puzzled by the edge bluntness maybe 1/100 of INCH showing steel layers I'm a steel nut and not that familar swords. I thought it might have been blunted at some time. I don't see the normal sharpening scratches, just the tapering done during forging. Steve

Gene, Just saw your blade post this pattern is far more random.

Hi Steve,

The one I posted was just the first 'similar' example of a bare modern blade I found on ebay in completed items.

The non-sharpened edge is also indicative of modern Indian blades I'm sorry to say.
It doesn't look blunted to me, it looks like it was never sharpened.

Sorry mate
ATB
Gene

[Rick]

Originally Posted by archer

I don't see any tempering lines. I was puzzled by the edge bluntness maybe 1/100 of INCH showing steel layers I'm a steel nut and not that familar swords. I thought it might have been blunted at some time. I don't see the normal sharpening scratches, just the tapering done during forging. Steve

Steve, this may be a hint as to the origin of the blade; I have read here that sharpened sword blades may not be exported from India .

When I look at my old Indian blades the pattern welding is quite unextrordinary (nowhere near as busy a pattern), not at all like this work .

I also notice that there is no ferrule at the hilt .

[A.alnakkas]

Guess were up against a new type of fakes then.. they are getting better by the day.

[archer]

I used a small regular triangular file and also tried to see what effortless flexing
could be accomplished by placing My knee midway between the hilt and pulled back on the tip. results flexes about 5-6 inches and recovers.

The photo shows the scratch. Seems like the edge is definitely harder.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by archer

I used a small regular triangular file and also tried to see what effortless flexing
could be accomplished by placing My knee midway between the hilt and pulled back on the tip. results flexes about 5-6 inches and recovers.

Hi Steve
Well then it seems to have some spring in it which is more than many TBH.
How easily does it scratch? Any difference on the spine from the edge?

ATB
Gene