Iranian Dagger/NEED TRANSLATION

Aurangzeb · 29th August 2005, 02:05 AM

Greetings To All !

I've attached four digital pix of closeups of the inscriptions on my dagger, hopefully this will be of assistance to those of you who may be able to assist me in translating it's inscription, which I would very much appreciate !

Thank you all in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide !

Sincerely,

Mark....

Aqtai · 29th August 2005, 09:06 AM

The whole inscription reads "la fata illa 'Ali La seyf illa dhu-l-feqqar 'Ali 'Ali".

It's in Arabic and translates roughly as "there is no youth except Ali, there is no sword except Dhu-l-feqqar, Ali, Ali". Dhu-l-feqqar was one of the swords of the prophet Muhammad which (I think) was later inherited by the Prophet's cousin Ali ibn Abi-Taleb.

It sounds like some kind of Shi'i battle cry. It's a variation on the traditional Muslim shehada; "la ilaha illa Allah". Which means "there is no god except God".

Aurangzeb · 30th August 2005, 03:49 AM

Hello Aqtai!

Thank you for the translation. This dagger is starting to seem less of a tourist dagger and more of a ceriomnial dagger. Can you also translate the inscription closest to the hilt that looks like it might be a makers mark please.

Mark...

29th August 2005, 02:05 AM	#1
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Closeup Digital Pix Of Dagger Inscription Greetings To All ! I've attached four digital pix of closeups of the inscriptions on my dagger, hopefully this will be of assistance to those of you who may be able to assist me in translating it's inscription, which I would very much appreciate ! Thank you all in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide ! Sincerely, Mark.... Attached Images

29th August 2005, 09:06 AM	#2
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	The whole inscription reads "la fata illa 'Ali La seyf illa dhu-l-feqqar 'Ali 'Ali". It's in Arabic and translates roughly as "there is no youth except Ali, there is no sword except Dhu-l-feqqar, Ali, Ali". Dhu-l-feqqar was one of the swords of the prophet Muhammad which (I think) was later inherited by the Prophet's cousin Ali ibn Abi-Taleb. It sounds like some kind of Shi'i battle cry. It's a variation on the traditional Muslim shehada; "la ilaha illa Allah". Which means "there is no god except God".

30th August 2005, 03:49 AM	#3
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hello Aqtai! Thank you for the translation. This dagger is starting to seem less of a tourist dagger and more of a ceriomnial dagger. Can you also translate the inscription closest to the hilt that looks like it might be a makers mark please. Mark...