persian sword revival period ???

weapons 27 · 5th April 2012, 02:27 PM

HI

can you deliver your opinion to me on this sword, it is 87 cm long. what worry is thickness of the blade 1,8mm, and it is flexible…

there is a marking at the end of the blade of each with dimensions

thank

David R · 6th April 2012, 06:00 PM

The hilt looks Indian to me, like on a tulwar. That style of hilt does turn up with a variety blades though, curved, straight and even yataghan. I have seen them with imported European blades as well.
So My guess is Indian in origin, and the blade...for dancing, ceremonial, religious procession , the etching makes me think non functional as a weapon though.

ALEX · 6th April 2012, 06:13 PM

The hilt is Indian. The blade is Persian, 19th C 'Qajar revival' ceremonial blade.
But not a proper match for proper Indo-Persian sword, they do not belong to each other. You may even notice the base of the blade was narrowed to fit the handle.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 6th April 2012, 06:53 PM

Salaams all~ Late Qajari ( as late as 1920) Ceremonial blade on previously identified Indian Hilt. Interesting scroll or fabulous garden / tree of life decoration.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

weapons 27 · 6th April 2012, 08:30 PM

here three sword persian revival period of my collection

Multumesc · 8th April 2012, 11:00 AM

Beautiful collection.

ariel · 8th April 2012, 03:46 PM

The so-called " Revival swords" are, IMHO, not real weapons, but rather ceremonial wall-hangers. They were made at the era when even Iranian military was feverishly rearranging itself to resemble the Western pattern. Imported blades and even locally-made blades of European construction were mounted on purely European-type handles. The Revival blades are by and large far too thin for real use, and the emergence of firearms was rapidly making even the quality blades obsolete. The profusion of cheap acid-etched decorations reminds one of similar Sudanese Kaskaras and I would not be surprised if the Iranians actually manufactured those as well, as a mass export to the less technologically-advanced natives.

And, of course, the backyard souvenir industry,- kula-khud, shield and one bazuband,- for the European visitors must have manufactured swords as well. Something to hang in the pub or on the wall of the drawing room. There were, of course, higher quality items, but even now one can buy a junky "Versace" and a good quality "Versace", both made in Hong Kong.

I have some Persian swords, but would not touch any "Revival" ones.

This one, as was already mentioned, is attached to a totally-unsuitable handle. IMHO, this is a "mix-and-match" creation of a relatively recent arrangement of available cheap spare parts.

Sorry for being harsh, but an honest question deserves an equally honest answer.

5th April 2012, 02:27 PM	#1
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	persian sword revival period ??? HI can you deliver your opinion to me on this sword, it is 87 cm long. what worry is thickness of the blade 1,8mm, and it is flexible… there is a marking at the end of the blade of each with dimensions thank Attached Images

6th April 2012, 06:00 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	The hilt looks Indian to me, like on a tulwar. That style of hilt does turn up with a variety blades though, curved, straight and even yataghan. I have seen them with imported European blades as well. So My guess is Indian in origin, and the blade...for dancing, ceremonial, religious procession , the etching makes me think non functional as a weapon though. Last edited by David R; 6th April 2012 at 06:01 PM. Reason: rephrasing.

6th April 2012, 08:30 PM	#5
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	here three sword persian revival period of my collection Attached Images

6th April 2012, 06:13 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	The hilt is Indian. The blade is Persian, 19th C 'Qajar revival' ceremonial blade. But not a proper match for proper Indo-Persian sword, they do not belong to each other. You may even notice the base of the blade was narrowed to fit the handle.

6th April 2012, 06:53 PM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all~ Late Qajari ( as late as 1920) Ceremonial blade on previously identified Indian Hilt. Interesting scroll or fabulous garden / tree of life decoration. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

8th April 2012, 11:00 AM	#6
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 203	Beautiful collection.

8th April 2012, 03:46 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The so-called " Revival swords" are, IMHO, not real weapons, but rather ceremonial wall-hangers. They were made at the era when even Iranian military was feverishly rearranging itself to resemble the Western pattern. Imported blades and even locally-made blades of European construction were mounted on purely European-type handles. The Revival blades are by and large far too thin for real use, and the emergence of firearms was rapidly making even the quality blades obsolete. The profusion of cheap acid-etched decorations reminds one of similar Sudanese Kaskaras and I would not be surprised if the Iranians actually manufactured those as well, as a mass export to the less technologically-advanced natives. And, of course, the backyard souvenir industry,- kula-khud, shield and one bazuband,- for the European visitors must have manufactured swords as well. Something to hang in the pub or on the wall of the drawing room. There were, of course, higher quality items, but even now one can buy a junky "Versace" and a good quality "Versace", both made in Hong Kong. I have some Persian swords, but would not touch any "Revival" ones. This one, as was already mentioned, is attached to a totally-unsuitable handle. IMHO, this is a "mix-and-match" creation of a relatively recent arrangement of available cheap spare parts. Sorry for being harsh, but an honest question deserves an equally honest answer.