Turkish Pistol ?

rickystl · 5th April 2012, 06:51 PM

Hi David. YES!! Good point. I've never been able to locate a pistol that could be verified as European made for that Market. We know many were made, I've just not come accross one yet. It's also known that sometimes the locally made guns would have spurios European style marks applied locally to make the prospective customer believe it was more valuable. Of course this complicates things even more as a collector.
I am surprised that this pistol has no marks of any kind considering the quality of the piece. Most Turkish made barrels have some type of mark.
Many of the Balkan made pistols I've examined have no marks at all. Thanks for your reply. Rick.

rickystl · 5th April 2012, 06:59 PM

Hi Teodor. Thanks so much for your reply. Do let me clarify it's only my "opinion" that I believe the pistol was Turkish made vs made in the Balkans. I can only base this on the many samples I've looked at.
I have a Persian made longarm that has similar mosaic decoration the entire length of the stock. That similar decoration has shown up on guns made all over the region. Again, thanks for your imput. Much appreciated. Rick.

Norman McCormick · 5th April 2012, 07:18 PM

Hi,
Lock from my Greek Kariofili, the general lock shape and setup look reasonably similar.
Regards,
Norman.

rickystl · 8th April 2012, 04:35 PM

Hi Norman. That is a very nice Kariofili !!! Appears to be in great condition. It would not surprise me if the lock on your gun was actually European made (styled for the local market). If you get a chance, please post more photos of your's.
I have disassembled - and even repaired - many of the locks on these type of guns. While often highly stylized and decorated, I find the lock internals, even the locks internal geometry to be lacking compared to actual European made locks. There's probably a number of reasons for this including the experience of the locksmith, tools available, etc.
In any case, I find these guns fascinating and really enjoy collecting them. There's not many of us out there that collect these guns. Most of the guys are interested in the blades and armour. Thanks again for Posting. Much appreciated. Rick.

5th April 2012, 07:18 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,632	Hi, Lock from my Greek Kariofili, the general lock shape and setup look reasonably similar. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

5th April 2012, 06:51 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi David. YES!! Good point. I've never been able to locate a pistol that could be verified as European made for that Market. We know many were made, I've just not come accross one yet. It's also known that sometimes the locally made guns would have spurios European style marks applied locally to make the prospective customer believe it was more valuable. Of course this complicates things even more as a collector. I am surprised that this pistol has no marks of any kind considering the quality of the piece. Most Turkish made barrels have some type of mark. Many of the Balkan made pistols I've examined have no marks at all. Thanks for your reply. Rick.

5th April 2012, 06:59 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Teodor. Thanks so much for your reply. Do let me clarify it's only my "opinion" that I believe the pistol was Turkish made vs made in the Balkans. I can only base this on the many samples I've looked at. I have a Persian made longarm that has similar mosaic decoration the entire length of the stock. That similar decoration has shown up on guns made all over the region. Again, thanks for your imput. Much appreciated. Rick.

8th April 2012, 04:35 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Norman. That is a very nice Kariofili !!! Appears to be in great condition. It would not surprise me if the lock on your gun was actually European made (styled for the local market). If you get a chance, please post more photos of your's. I have disassembled - and even repaired - many of the locks on these type of guns. While often highly stylized and decorated, I find the lock internals, even the locks internal geometry to be lacking compared to actual European made locks. There's probably a number of reasons for this including the experience of the locksmith, tools available, etc. In any case, I find these guns fascinating and really enjoy collecting them. There's not many of us out there that collect these guns. Most of the guys are interested in the blades and armour. Thanks again for Posting. Much appreciated. Rick.