Hilt ID

David · 15th March 2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

But as for the wear of the hilt. I dont think the face was worn down to this smooth surface. the details on the top and back are in prestine sharp condition.

I agree. Given how this handle would be held, wear should be along the spine of the figure...

Rick · 15th March 2012, 01:24 AM

If I might offer an idea; possibly there were inserts where the eyes are .

Amuk Murugul · 15th March 2012, 05:10 AM

Hullo everybody

I tend to support Rick's suggestion. I'd even go so far as to suggest that the inserted 'eyes' were 'sparklers'. Has anyone considered that this figure is a representation of a female?

There are those who believe that buffalo horn tends to turn 'brownish'/caramel-coloured with age (after about 100 yrs). This colour tends to turn 'whitish'/'milky' with further aging.

Best,

paolo · 15th March 2012, 09:48 AM

I can't send now a detail of the eye (photocamera discharged), but looking carefully eyelashes are carved and below there is a smooth surface, but, IMO the only way to attach something is glueing it.
Why You say is a female figure ? Pheraps the large abdome = pregnant ?
Paolo

paolo · 15th March 2012, 06:34 PM

Here are the close up.
Paolo

Rick · 15th March 2012, 06:41 PM

Okay, possibly a little horn loss under one/both eyes ?
(I see the new pics)
Perhaps they bulged originally and they have fallen or broken off .

I think Lombok in origin; a feeling .

I wonder if this hilt represents a metamorphosis in process as it is so vague in form except on the back where it is very detailed .

The forming of a Kocet Kocetan ?

We can only guess what the carver was thinking .

Marcokeris · 17th March 2012, 12:38 PM

IMO this hilt could come from Sumbawa......or Lombok

Hartadi · 7th April 2012, 05:42 AM

I migh be late

I have seen the flower model at the top and back carved made in Lombok. The material from buffalo horn with special color that called " tanggek cemaning "

15th March 2012, 06:34 PM	#5
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Here are the close up. Paolo Attached Images

15th March 2012, 06:41 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Okay, possibly a little horn loss under one/both eyes ? (I see the new pics) Perhaps they bulged originally and they have fallen or broken off . I think Lombok in origin; a feeling . I wonder if this hilt represents a metamorphosis in process as it is so vague in form except on the back where it is very detailed . The forming of a Kocet Kocetan ? We can only guess what the carver was thinking . Last edited by Rick; 15th March 2012 at 07:02 PM.

15th March 2012, 01:24 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	If I might offer an idea; possibly there were inserts where the eyes are .

15th March 2012, 05:10 AM	#3
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hullo everybody I tend to support Rick's suggestion. I'd even go so far as to suggest that the inserted 'eyes' were 'sparklers'. Has anyone considered that this figure is a representation of a female? There are those who believe that buffalo horn tends to turn 'brownish'/caramel-coloured with age (after about 100 yrs). This colour tends to turn 'whitish'/'milky' with further aging. Best,

15th March 2012, 09:48 AM	#4
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	I can't send now a detail of the eye (photocamera discharged), but looking carefully eyelashes are carved and below there is a smooth surface, but, IMO the only way to attach something is glueing it. Why You say is a female figure ? Pheraps the large abdome = pregnant ? Paolo

17th March 2012, 12:38 PM	#7
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	IMO this hilt could come from Sumbawa......or Lombok

7th April 2012, 05:42 AM	#8
Hartadi Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 56	I migh be late I have seen the flower model at the top and back carved made in Lombok. The material from buffalo horn with special color that called " tanggek cemaning "