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That blade is a true-blue straits bugis blade, not a javanese blade. Thick, broad, robust, in full bugis glory. The naga is also not of javanese form.
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Hi John,
I think Naga blades can both be a joy and frustration to collectors. From conversations I had with collectors who put a lot of faith in lore and a bit less on systematic book learning (my approach is a combination of both I guess) they have this belief that keris with Naga were meant for royals and blue bloods only. And talking about Java, such keris were probably spread around hundreds of Priyayi from your Raden Mas up to your Kanjeng Pagerans etc. Getting a good old one would be a great thing. However, the naga motif today is also one of the most mass produced pattern you get on cheap tourist blades made from Madura, with a kind of yellow metal inlay that imitates Kinatah blades. There are occassionally good newly made blades of this kind, and I think it's OK to buy them, just for the sake of keeping the craft alive, but you have people who try and pass the as older stuff. Bad. Hence the reason why I stick to Malay kerises. ![]() |
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I think that's a Javanese keris. Yes, really brings a tear to the eye... its so beautiful... Hey, show us your 2 old 'babies' when they arrive ok. ![]() |
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Hi Kai Wee,
Pity I didn't bring my camera that day as ACM does allow photography without flash. The 2 old "babes" will make a transit at Singapore so probably you could take a look in person and perhaps offer some restoration recommendations prior to them moving on to Kelantan for the purpose. If they turn out well, I probably will put up pictures here or at the KampungNet. |
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Hi John,
Pity I couldn't meet up with you when you last visit Singapore. When you next visit, do let me know. We can meet up, along with some other keris enthusiasts. I believe your 2 pieces will be at Adni's, when it comes? May I see it, too. ![]() |
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Whoa John, I'm already feeling jealous from the sound of it.
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Kai Wee, now I'm getting a little worried in case they fall short of your expectations.
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Hey John,
Dropped by Adni's shop for about an hour yesterday afternoon and saw them! Apparently they arrived shortly before and Adni was inspecting them. What luck! ![]() You have 2 very beautiful pedigree Bugis kerises in excellent condition, oozing machismo. Very well defined hexagonal cross-section, broad, and with great luks too. I think one of them is a Straits Bugis piece, and the other a Sulawesi Bugis piece. Though slightly different, both are like matcthing brothers. Hey, you have quite a number of great Bugis kerises already! I'm really jealous! ![]() |
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You know you just make me so happy with the news! Thank you so much Kai Wee. I guess I've a lot to thank Stefan Domoney as well.
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John,
Been to Adni's, today. Seen your blades. ![]() Both blades are beautiful. The shorter piece is my kind of blade. Thick, broad and well-balanced. The longer piece is a Bugis Sulawesi blade. Need sheath reworks, though. As for the description, BluErf had summed it up, nicely. ![]() Congratulations. ![]() |
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![]() We're here for you. It would be nice to see your collection, though. Do create a gallery at Kampungnet. (In a day or two...) ![]() |
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Abang John,
The suspense is killing me. Hope to see the two Bugis blades soon, restored to their full glory. BTW, which tukang is going to help out with the restoration? I have met Syukri recently and he has successfully replicated the extra broad Bugis sampir, though it will take some time before the kemuning wood turns a glorious orange-red-brown patina. ![]() |
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Shahrial,
Will do some photographing during my next leave and put a few pieces up at the gallery. Will be requiring your kind assistance in the cover design ![]() Yang Mulia Raja Muda, You've guessed it, indeed Syukri shall be doing the work. He'll need to do some sheath adjustments/realignments, make buntut fitments and carve a kemuning Sulawesi kerdas hulu. Looks like I've inadvertently put myself under scrutiny haven't I? ![]() ![]() |
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The kerises have returned from Kelantan after some restorations. For a peek, click:
Keris Bugis Sulawesi Straits Bugis The "as received" picture (courtesy of Asoka-arts) is as follows. |
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I stand corrected, (mixed up in my earlier post).
![]() Bugis Sulawesi (left) and Straits Bugis (right). ![]() Congratulations! on these pieces. These are fine blades. ![]() The restoration works on the Straits piece is much better than on the Sulawesi sheath. Both look better than before. My personal preference would be a non-lacquered finish. |
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I will move this to the Keris Forum.
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Marius, the post (#49) is dated 2005, before the keris subforum was created.
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