Hilt ID

David · 14th March 2012, 03:17 PM

hmmm....that is both cool and freaky.
Perhaps a "Lord of the Ring" Gollum hilt. "My Precious...."

paolo · 14th March 2012, 05:26 PM

It's very worn by the use, but the face, more than Gollum, rembers to me the traditional Cirebon ancestor/raksasa/prince , not so hairs and body..... surely not Cirebon, may be Sumatra ..... a kind of Jawa Demam ? but hasn't the "shawl over the shoulder .....
Paolo

David · 14th March 2012, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paolo

It's very worn by the use, but the face, more than Gollum, rembers to me the traditional Cirebon ancestor/raksasa/prince , not so hairs and body..... surely not Cirebon, may be Sumatra ..... a kind of Jawa Demam ? but hasn't the "shawl over the shoulder .....
Paolo

Paolo, i am not sure we can lump "ancestor/rakasa/prince" all into one category.

Certainly i think we can see some resemblance to the raksasa or buta hilt form, thought the hands in those seem to most generally grip or rest upon the knees.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=buta+hilts

Sajen · 14th March 2012, 07:06 PM

Very nice and interesting hilt! And a very rare material. My first thought when I see it was Sumatra. Is it possible to see a picture from the carving up from the head?

Regards,

Detlef

paolo · 14th March 2012, 07:12 PM

Thank You David, very interesting thread. I'm really pragmatic; I wish catalogue all.... but i see that for Archipelago hilts, kerises and weapons is quite difficult.
I don't think to have a great hilt, but I got it for the clear horn ( it seems to me quite peculiar) and for the form it had ( IMO dued to extended use ).
I don't know why but I vote Sumatra
Paolo

paolo · 14th March 2012, 07:27 PM

Bad light, the pics are the best i could do.
Paolo

Sajen · 14th March 2012, 08:13 PM

Hi Paolo,

my "feeling" says also Sumatra but there are some other possibilitys like Cirebon or Sumbawa.

Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy!

Regards,

Detlef

paolo · 14th March 2012, 10:58 PM

Thank You Detlef

David · 14th March 2012, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy!

I am also enjoying it quite a bit.

asomotif · 15th March 2012, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy!

So that is why they sometimes call it "green buffalo horn".

Very attractive hilt in an unusual material.
I am not that educated in style forms and origins etc.
But as for the wear of the hilt. I dont think the face was worn down to this smooth surface. the details on the top and back are in prestine sharp condition.
I rather have the feeling that the face is not yet finished for some reason.
Somebody started to carve the eyes and maybe realised that he would not have sufficient material to carve the image he had in mind

Best regards,
Willem

14th March 2012, 07:27 PM	#6
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Bad light, the pics are the best i could do. Paolo Attached Images

14th March 2012, 03:17 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	hmmm....that is both cool and freaky. Perhaps a "Lord of the Ring" Gollum hilt. "My Precious...."

14th March 2012, 05:26 PM	#2
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	It's very worn by the use, but the face, more than Gollum, rembers to me the traditional Cirebon ancestor/raksasa/prince , not so hairs and body..... surely not Cirebon, may be Sumatra ..... a kind of Jawa Demam ? but hasn't the "shawl over the shoulder ..... Paolo

14th March 2012, 07:06 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,270	Very nice and interesting hilt! And a very rare material. My first thought when I see it was Sumatra. Is it possible to see a picture from the carving up from the head? Regards, Detlef

14th March 2012, 07:12 PM	#5
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Thank You David, very interesting thread. I'm really pragmatic; I wish catalogue all.... but i see that for Archipelago hilts, kerises and weapons is quite difficult. I don't think to have a great hilt, but I got it for the clear horn ( it seems to me quite peculiar) and for the form it had ( IMO dued to extended use ). I don't know why but I vote Sumatra Paolo

14th March 2012, 08:13 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,270	Hi Paolo, my "feeling" says also Sumatra but there are some other possibilitys like Cirebon or Sumbawa. Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy! Regards, Detlef

14th March 2012, 10:58 PM	#8
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Thank You Detlef