10th March 2012, 01:16 PM | #1 |
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Unusual curved naval dirk for ID
Not seen one like this before, possibly eastern, presumably one of the retailer/outfitter sold pieces for dress occasions?
Condition isn't perfect but all parts appear to be original. Strange shaped guard isn't broken, just has a strange 'quarter' knuckle bow. No markings apart from the cast emblem on the guard. Any thoughts? |
11th March 2012, 05:00 PM | #2 |
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11th March 2012, 05:31 PM | #3 |
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Not my area really - but the sheath looks odd, isn't that type of drag to the end for a much longer sword ?
Looks a bit made up to my uneducated eye, or could it be a type of "society" sword ? Regards. |
11th March 2012, 08:20 PM | #4 |
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looks vaguely french imperial to me. young midshipmans private purchase?
scabbard looks incomplete, leather/wood lining missing? throat also. |
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Thanks for the input. I hadn't thought society I must say. However, although the type is unfamiliar the general shape and 'elements' all say naval dirk to me. Best Gene |
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Scabbard is also missing one suspension loop and mount. I thought private purchase. Hopefully someone will recognise it. French would be good. Best Gene |
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12th March 2012, 12:06 AM | #7 |
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Did other nations use the lion motif on Dirks?
Anyone recognise the laurels and flags? |
13th March 2012, 10:27 PM | #8 |
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Surely someone recognises it?
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15th March 2012, 02:25 AM | #9 |
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IMHO, I think this sword has a damaged and repaired hilt. Even though it appears that the guard was made that way, I think it was broken long ago and left as is with the remaining guard as such. I've seen this hilt form before and it would have a reverse P type knuckle bow. The pommel appears to be a replacement. Not so sure about the guard. The blade looks good/original. I don't recognize the emblem, but cast brass emblems of this type found on all sorts of early-mid 19th c. blades, which I believe yours is. I don't think this one was dress/fraternal, but a re-worked piece. Because the repair was done contemporary with its use, I could see that this might have been a side-knife. If it's naval (?), I'm not familiar with the form per say. It would have to be a merchant/private purchase/put-together side arm for a sailor...
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26th March 2012, 08:16 PM | #10 |
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I saw this Sword, and its a made up piece of parts.
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26th March 2012, 09:49 PM | #11 |
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My two cents worth i think the scabbard was from a sword and cut down to suit
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It doesn't appear to be, can you provide some evidence of the origins of these 'parts'? Regards Gene Last edited by Atlantia; 27th March 2012 at 10:21 AM. |
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Anythings possible, it's an oddity for sure. Here's a shot to show the size with an 1845 for scale. Best Gene Last edited by Atlantia; 26th March 2012 at 10:57 PM. |
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27th March 2012, 10:10 PM | #15 |
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Hi Eugene
No Im afraid I cant provide any reference, but then I guess that seems to be the problem with it. I would have thought that the Grip would have had a Ferrule which leads me to think its not for this Sword. The overall look of it made me to think it was a marriage when I examined it before you acquired it. However its only my opinion, hopefully someone will be able to pin it down with a bit of luck. |
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That's a relief, your previous post made it sound like you knew something. I'm in agreement with John on this one, a continental dirk sold by an outfitter. Not 100% about the pommel, but the rest seems fine to me. I agree that someone is bound to recognise it.... just a matter of being patient I guess. Regards Gene |
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