Luzon "Binangkoko"

ThePepperSkull · 28th February 2012, 07:17 PM

As mentioned previously, a friend of mine owns another (and in my opinion a nicer and more intact) example. This one with brass or bronze fittings as opposed to silver:

carlos · 28th February 2012, 08:20 PM

Wow!!

congratulations, is a very beautiful piece, and I´m sure after cleaning sword you will be more happy! I just fall in love!!

Horn and silver, the perfect cmbination
thanks for the pictures
best regards
carlos

Sajen · 28th February 2012, 09:52 PM

Agree with Carlos, a beautiful itak and I am sure when you have received it that you will like it more as the one from your friend. The missing panel will be easily to replace. I am curious to see better pictures when you have received and cleaned it.

Regards,

Detlef

Lew · 28th February 2012, 10:19 PM

Detlef

It looks very similar to a ginuting

ThePepperSkull · 28th February 2012, 10:44 PM

^ As my friend explains, the term "binangkoko" is used around the negros area to differentiate the heavier and locally produced Ginunting and the Luzon blades of similar shape.

He says that the people he trains with (the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas camp) are adamant about the difference between a negros/visayan-made blade being called a ginunting only, and making a point to differentiate that between the lighter blades of similar shape made in Luzon which they call Binangkoko.

Of course, I have no knowledge of the luzon term for this may be. Maybe even they would call it a "ginunting" and not see the difference. I've asked a few of my relatives from my father's side of the family (ethnically they are tagalog) and they've never heard of the term "binangkoko". I have a friend who speaks bisaya and he's heard that term used before but doesn't remember which context, but at least we have that.

PS: Thank you all for the kind words. I don't have many Luzon pieces so i figure I may as well collect the nice ones when I can find them. Does anyone have an approximate date of manufacture on this?

Robert · 29th February 2012, 12:50 AM

Great catch !!! I too would have called this a ginuting. As far as age, I believe because of the shape of the hilt, the way the decorations are done and the way the ferrel is fitted to the hilt that this would date to the second quarter of the 20th century. I could be totally wrong on this though so I will wait to see what the more knowledgeable member have to say. Again, my congratulations on your winning this very nice addition to your collection.

Battara · 29th February 2012, 03:42 AM

I hate to say this but I also would have thought this was a ginuting as well. Certainly a Luzon piece. I have often found that different groups can have different names for the same type of piece in the PI.

On another note - great piece! Good to finally see an old example of these.

Sajen · 29th February 2012, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Detlef

It looks very similar to a ginuting

Lew, of course you are correct, it's a ginuting!

Ferguson · 5th March 2012, 12:50 AM

What a stunning piece. Every time I think I've seen every variation, there's another!
Steve

Lew · 5th March 2012, 05:45 PM

I found this variation on the ginunting that belongs to Steve for comparison

28th February 2012, 07:17 PM	#1
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	As mentioned previously, a friend of mine owns another (and in my opinion a nicer and more intact) example. This one with brass or bronze fittings as opposed to silver: Attached Images

5th March 2012, 05:45 PM	#10
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I found this variation on the ginunting that belongs to Steve for comparison Attached Images

28th February 2012, 08:20 PM	#2
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Wow!! congratulations, is a very beautiful piece, and I´m sure after cleaning sword you will be more happy! I just fall in love!! Horn and silver, the perfect cmbination thanks for the pictures best regards carlos

28th February 2012, 09:52 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,269	Agree with Carlos, a beautiful itak and I am sure when you have received it that you will like it more as the one from your friend. The missing panel will be easily to replace. I am curious to see better pictures when you have received and cleaned it. Regards, Detlef

28th February 2012, 10:19 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Detlef It looks very similar to a ginuting

28th February 2012, 10:44 PM	#5
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	^ As my friend explains, the term "binangkoko" is used around the negros area to differentiate the heavier and locally produced Ginunting and the Luzon blades of similar shape. He says that the people he trains with (the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas camp) are adamant about the difference between a negros/visayan-made blade being called a ginunting only, and making a point to differentiate that between the lighter blades of similar shape made in Luzon which they call Binangkoko. Of course, I have no knowledge of the luzon term for this may be. Maybe even they would call it a "ginunting" and not see the difference. I've asked a few of my relatives from my father's side of the family (ethnically they are tagalog) and they've never heard of the term "binangkoko". I have a friend who speaks bisaya and he's heard that term used before but doesn't remember which context, but at least we have that. PS: Thank you all for the kind words. I don't have many Luzon pieces so i figure I may as well collect the nice ones when I can find them. Does anyone have an approximate date of manufacture on this?

29th February 2012, 12:50 AM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Great catch !!! I too would have called this a ginuting. As far as age, I believe because of the shape of the hilt, the way the decorations are done and the way the ferrel is fitted to the hilt that this would date to the second quarter of the 20th century. I could be totally wrong on this though so I will wait to see what the more knowledgeable member have to say. Again, my congratulations on your winning this very nice addition to your collection.

29th February 2012, 03:42 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	I hate to say this but I also would have thought this was a ginuting as well. Certainly a Luzon piece. I have often found that different groups can have different names for the same type of piece in the PI. On another note - great piece! Good to finally see an old example of these.

5th March 2012, 12:50 AM	#9
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	What a stunning piece. Every time I think I've seen every variation, there's another! Steve