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Hi Tim,Freddy and All
This nice old spear arrived today! It looks like a late 19th century Tuareg spear? It's in great condition the seller was able to separate the three pieces so no cutting of the shaft took place ![]() Lew |
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Hi Lew, very nice spear, may also be Sudanese.This is my all metal Tuareg lance, note the mail penetrating blade.The spikes at the base of the blade have been bent in, shame. I dare not do anything about it.Tim
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Hello friends, very beautiful spears!
![]() Hello Lew your spear don't seems to me Tuareg. The spear of Tim is tipical Tuareg, yours could be from other region like East Africa or Sudanese like Tim says. Anyway great piece!! |
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Maybe Shilluk or Somali?
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Hi Guys
Thanks for the input. The reason I thought it was Tuareg is that Artzi has one listed on his website and mine is a dead ringer compared to his. http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=1713 Lew |
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Very nice!
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I think Tim is right. It looks more Sudanese to me, too.
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Hello Flavio,
Interesting illustrations! Could you please cite the reference? ![]() Best regards, Jim |
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Hi Jim
The photos in question come from African Arms and Armor by Christopher Springs. Lew |
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Hello Jim, Lew is right. From the same source some Fulani (north Nigeria - south Niger) guys with tuareg like spears and swords.
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Hi Lew and Flavio,
Thanks very much guys!! I didn't recognize the photos ![]() Best regards, Jim |
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This is an example of a similar spear / lance from my own collection .. I always had it down as Sudanese , but would also welcome opinions .
It is 190 cm long , blade inc socket is 50 cm with the greatest blade length being 9 cm . The butt is a flattened almost fish tail shape . |
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I would say yes Sudanese for sure.
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Nice pieces, I purchased these a little while back. Picture from the sale.
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The top one will find a new home in the coming months, however the spear and shield make for a very dramatic display in the dining room. Gav |
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PS ... did you ever see the pic I posted showing my wife's bedroom dressing table ... littered not with make up and jewellery , but with her dagger collection ! |
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I believe I did Rich, many moons ago now. Great to see you back in the thick of things and those of the fairer sex...best left untouched ;-) there are some very astute members here :-)
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The shield is Fundj. Excellent condition !!!
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Thanks Martin. I saw Wolf had the same attribution in his reference pages...however I had not seen it anywhere else nor can find anything else about it...
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Hello Gav,
The shield is also in the book "African Shields" by Zirngibl. (I have also one - bought in "army shop" in Prague a few years ago...) I am of the opinion the spear with broad spearhead is old Massai from the 19th century. Allegedly - before the opening of the export of iron rods to East Africa at the beginning of 20th century (used for long slender spearsheads), the Massai used to use this broad heavy spearheads. Regards, Martin |
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