Keris info

Mans · 13th August 2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hi Mans,
..... However an absolute answer would be difficult to derive. Therefore with only pictures, the best answer that can be achieved would be an estimated guesswork, right?

Absolutely right, Alam. Thank you.. but I always waiting for your advice at my album

Jubilado · 9th January 2006, 10:51 AM

Having just discovered this forum and thread, my thanks go to Mans and all of you for a very interesting discussion.

Can anyone, Mans perhaps? post similar guidance on the style of straight keris blades. I have one from Madura and one (supposedly) from Java, that I would like to learn more about.

Thank you for any information.

Mans · 9th January 2006, 03:42 PM

Hi Jubilado,

I think, conditions of the Keris from Madura usually more rough and heavy than the Javanese keris. The iron fibrous more clear and some iron came with many spot. Many keris from Pesisir (coastal) area usually more rough than the other. The pamor pattern of Maduranese keris more bright and coarse. The culture of Maduranese often showing their luxuries or profusion. Same as with the keris which came from there. Strong and the pamor more bright and fully on the blade. Also many pamor demostrated the high skill of the smith.
Trully, many keris with vertical technique of the pamor work came from madura.

The Javanese keris more slightly built. The iron more smooth and the iron fibrous more soft. Especially the keris from old era like Majapahit and Sedayu (about 13-15th century) and the keris from Mataram Sultan Agung period (about 17th century).

But, any keris from Madura which nearly same with Javanese Keris. Usually the keris like this came from Kraton (palace area). See the pictures #5 & 6. This is the Maduranese keris which has the characteristics as Javanese keris. But, we still can distinguishing it by the kind of pamor pattern. The pamor called Dadung Muntir and just Maduranese smith who often created the pamor like this in good conditions.

I think more detail if you see the pictures, because very difficult to me to explain it without example

Also you can see more pictures at my website (http://keris.fotopic.net). I hope useful.

Detail :
#1-2 = Keris from Madura Cakraningrat on Mataram Era (estimated made about 18th century). The pamor more smooth but the Pasikutan (characteristics) still shown the Maduranese keris.
#3-4 = Keris from Pamekasan Madura. The kingdom which vassal state of Sumenep kingdom (estimated made about 17th century).
#5-6 = Keris from Sumenep Madura which has character as Javanese keris. but the pamor shown as the Maduranese keris.
#7-8 = Javanese Keris from Majapahit Era (estimated about 15th century). The iron is very smoot. Demostrated the very high skill on ironworking.
#9-10 = Javanese keris from Mataram period (estimated made about 18th century). Demostrated the difficult pamorwork and good forging.

drdavid · 12th January 2006, 07:09 AM

Hi Mans
a very useful series of posts for a novice. I have uploaded some pictures of my first Keris purchase, described as late Mataram, from Central Jawa. It is a lovely piece to handle, both delicate and strong...strange combination of words I know but the best description I have.

Alam Shah · 12th January 2006, 09:05 AM

Hi drdavid,

Congratulation on your first keris. A fine piece, indeed. I was contemplating to get this piece but now it already have a new owner.

Soon your collection will start to grow...

This piece looks elegant with its 'simplisitic' nature. The wrongko is extra nice and stronger with the entire sheath carved from a single piece of wood.

The blade is a beautiful old piece which fits harmoniously together.

9th January 2006, 10:51 AM	#2
Jubilado Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Andalucia, Spain Posts: 3	Is there any similar information on the straight keris blade? Having just discovered this forum and thread, my thanks go to Mans and all of you for a very interesting discussion. Can anyone, Mans perhaps? post similar guidance on the style of straight keris blades. I have one from Madura and one (supposedly) from Java, that I would like to learn more about. Thank you for any information. Last edited by Jubilado; 9th January 2006 at 11:21 AM.

12th January 2006, 07:09 AM	#4
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hi Mans a very useful series of posts for a novice. I have uploaded some pictures of my first Keris purchase, described as late Mataram, from Central Jawa. It is a lovely piece to handle, both delicate and strong...strange combination of words I know but the best description I have. Attached Images

9th January 2006, 03:42 PM	#3
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Hi Jubilado, I think, conditions of the Keris from Madura usually more rough and heavy than the Javanese keris. The iron fibrous more clear and some iron came with many spot. Many keris from Pesisir (coastal) area usually more rough than the other. The pamor pattern of Maduranese keris more bright and coarse. The culture of Maduranese often showing their luxuries or profusion. Same as with the keris which came from there. Strong and the pamor more bright and fully on the blade. Also many pamor demostrated the high skill of the smith. Trully, many keris with vertical technique of the pamor work came from madura. The Javanese keris more slightly built. The iron more smooth and the iron fibrous more soft. Especially the keris from old era like Majapahit and Sedayu (about 13-15th century) and the keris from Mataram Sultan Agung period (about 17th century). But, any keris from Madura which nearly same with Javanese Keris. Usually the keris like this came from Kraton (palace area). See the pictures #5 & 6. This is the Maduranese keris which has the characteristics as Javanese keris. But, we still can distinguishing it by the kind of pamor pattern. The pamor called Dadung Muntir and just Maduranese smith who often created the pamor like this in good conditions. I think more detail if you see the pictures, because very difficult to me to explain it without example Also you can see more pictures at my website (http://keris.fotopic.net). I hope useful. Detail : #1-2 = Keris from Madura Cakraningrat on Mataram Era (estimated made about 18th century). The pamor more smooth but the Pasikutan (characteristics) still shown the Maduranese keris. #3-4 = Keris from Pamekasan Madura. The kingdom which vassal state of Sumenep kingdom (estimated made about 17th century). #5-6 = Keris from Sumenep Madura which has character as Javanese keris. but the pamor shown as the Maduranese keris. #7-8 = Javanese Keris from Majapahit Era (estimated about 15th century). The iron is very smoot. Demostrated the very high skill on ironworking. #9-10 = Javanese keris from Mataram period (estimated made about 18th century). Demostrated the difficult pamorwork and good forging. Attached Images

12th January 2006, 09:05 AM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Nice piece... Hi drdavid, Congratulation on your first keris. A fine piece, indeed. I was contemplating to get this piece but now it already have a new owner. Soon your collection will start to grow... This piece looks elegant with its 'simplisitic' nature. The wrongko is extra nice and stronger with the entire sheath carved from a single piece of wood. The blade is a beautiful old piece which fits harmoniously together.