Need Help to Identify Pamor and Tangguh

[ivoke]

Thank you

But i think i can not be considered as a professional collector, i cant even count luk's

And concerning the text,i didnt write it myself, i compiled it a while ago, because i'm in the process of making my own keris.

I am married into a Ksatrya family now for over 25 years and they do believe that some keris have powers, but standing a keris on his point or peksi is not so difficult, you can do that with most keris, if you know the trick.

Why i was curiuos about the wood of your hilt, a relative of my said a while ago that its now illegal to harvest coromandel in Bali.

ivo

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by ivoke

Thank you

But i think i can not be considered as a professional collector, i cant even count luk's

And concerning the text,i didnt write it myself, i compiled it a while ago, because i'm in the process of making my own keris.

I am married into a Ksatrya family now for over 25 years and they do believe that some keris have powers, but standing a keris on his point or peksi is not so difficult, you can do that with most keris, if you know the trick.

Why i was curiuos about the wood of your hilt, a relative of my said a while ago that its now illegal to harvest coromandel in Bali.

ivo

Oh, by tricks is really very very easy
.....About the wood another new balinese example

[David]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Oh, by tricks is really very very easy

Just curious...what "trick", other than patience and balance, do you believe is being employed here?

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by David

Just curious...what "trick", other than patience and balance, do you believe is being employed here?

Of course... "tricks (IMO) are: patiente, balance and try to increase the bearing surface of the blade...of course.

[ivoke]

the carpet, try it on a sheet of glas, much more difficult.

[Azman]

Marco,

If it is a trick, then this act should also be possible for any other forms of dagger like weapons. It would be interesting to make this comparison.

David,

I know...it's amazing ins't it. This is where science and mystic converge. I cannot understand how could this happen as it defies the law of physics. With an offset to neutral axis, the CG remains perfectly balance. Once the CG is perfectly balance, it will stand. This can be proven by the coke can trick. This is achieved by adjusting the water content in the coke can to a perfect half volume of the can. You can try this too. Now if this happen to the keris than it's either sheer luck or the empu is so brilliant to forge and hammer the steel in a perfectly balance CG. May be possible in those days...

Thank you Jean,

I kind of suspected this to be blarak ngirid pattern but they don't really look alike. I suppose each one is unique based on the condition and empu that did the work.

Any chance to get the views on my earlier questions on empu and tangguh

Cheers, Azman

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Azman

Any chance to get the views on my earlier questions on empu and tangguh

Cheers, Azman

From some pictures ?
Very doubtful .

[David]

Originally Posted by Azman

Any chance to get the views on my earlier questions on empu and tangguh

A relatively small number of keris in collections were made by empus. The majority would be village made piece. Even if a keris can be verified as an empu creation, being able to identify the empu who made it would be extremely difficult without some sort of provenance.
Tangguh is a practice which is probably best not being applied to non-keraton keris though in today's world people attempt to apply it to any old keris. Attempting to accurately assess tangguh, even on a keris to which the practice is applicable, is tenuous at best when solely determined by a few internet images. Many of the points required to assess tangguh require having the keris in hand.