Afghan military saber for translation request

RSWORD · 28th December 2011, 10:15 PM

Many thanks for the translation and information. It is indeed very helpful and provides some insight into this sword and perhaps who might have owned it. The sword is not new. The blade has been professionally polished which revealed a very nice pattern welded blade. Prior to that restoration, the blade had a fair bit of patina. The leather on the scabbard is old and it is missing its chape. The guard, backstrap and top scabbard mount are all wootz, not very likely in a new sword. While the majority of the ones you see are in poor condition, I would venture to say that presentation pieces like this one were held onto and preserved in much better condition. Perhaps the original owner had the means to preserve it. The person I acquired this from stated he had owned it for 30+ years and I have no reason to doubt them. In my experience of collecting these swords, including many Afghan pieces over the years, you find a wide, huge variety of condition. Everything from 200+ years old yet still pristine to 100 years old and beat to crap. Of course, I have the advantage of having the piece in hand to make many of those types of determinations and giving that I am confident it is not a newly made sword. I think it is exactly of the period suggested and most likely originally carried by a person of means. Also, keep in mind that presentation pieces were not mass produced. Much more effort and expense went into producing those, hence the better than average quality.

Given your ability to translate Farsi I have another piece that I believe is in Farsi. Would you mind having a look?

AJ1356 · 29th December 2011, 01:49 AM

Now it makes sense, mentioning that little detail in the begining would have helped. sure put up some pics and I'll translate it.

RSWORD · 29th December 2011, 06:22 PM

Thanks again for your translation assistance. Here are pictures of the piece I believe with Farsi inscription.

AJ1356 · 30th December 2011, 02:20 PM

One the first pic the top one is the Shahaada, however the last part of is readable (محمد رسول الله ) Mohammad Rasoul ullah. Under it یاعلی Yaa Ali is readable. The rest, I could not make anything out of it, I tried to make sense of it in Farsi, Pashtu and could not make out anything coherent out it. Could be Arabic, but who knows. If I can't make something properly I just leave it, I'm not gonna be like this could be this or that, it wont do the translation any justice.

Dom · 31st December 2011, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ1356

Could be Arabic,

unfortunately, sentence fell from the lips of my translator ... it's not Arabic

hard luck

à +

Dom

29th December 2011, 01:49 AM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	Now it makes sense, mentioning that little detail in the begining would have helped. sure put up some pics and I'll translate it. Last edited by AJ1356; 29th December 2011 at 08:03 AM.

29th December 2011, 06:22 PM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,089	Thanks again for your translation assistance. Here are pictures of the piece I believe with Farsi inscription. Attached Images

28th December 2011, 10:15 PM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,089	Many thanks for the translation and information. It is indeed very helpful and provides some insight into this sword and perhaps who might have owned it. The sword is not new. The blade has been professionally polished which revealed a very nice pattern welded blade. Prior to that restoration, the blade had a fair bit of patina. The leather on the scabbard is old and it is missing its chape. The guard, backstrap and top scabbard mount are all wootz, not very likely in a new sword. While the majority of the ones you see are in poor condition, I would venture to say that presentation pieces like this one were held onto and preserved in much better condition. Perhaps the original owner had the means to preserve it. The person I acquired this from stated he had owned it for 30+ years and I have no reason to doubt them. In my experience of collecting these swords, including many Afghan pieces over the years, you find a wide, huge variety of condition. Everything from 200+ years old yet still pristine to 100 years old and beat to crap. Of course, I have the advantage of having the piece in hand to make many of those types of determinations and giving that I am confident it is not a newly made sword. I think it is exactly of the period suggested and most likely originally carried by a person of means. Also, keep in mind that presentation pieces were not mass produced. Much more effort and expense went into producing those, hence the better than average quality. Given your ability to translate Farsi I have another piece that I believe is in Farsi. Would you mind having a look?

30th December 2011, 02:20 PM	#4
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	One the first pic the top one is the Shahaada, however the last part of is readable (محمد رسول الله ) Mohammad Rasoul ullah. Under it یاعلی Yaa Ali is readable. The rest, I could not make anything out of it, I tried to make sense of it in Farsi, Pashtu and could not make out anything coherent out it. Could be Arabic, but who knows. If I can't make something properly I just leave it, I'm not gonna be like this could be this or that, it wont do the translation any justice.