Sirau and their use

Sajen · 28th December 2011, 04:29 PM

And here the two examples Charles showed us in a other thread.

Sajen · 28th December 2011, 04:45 PM

And here a picture from my maybe wrong attributed Siraui with a Bagobo Sangi. Like Rick pointed out the shape is similar and let me think that both are utility knifes.

VVV · 28th December 2011, 05:12 PM

Thanks Detlef for the copy from van Z.
I hope that Albert is reading this thread so he can share where he found the name siraui and how his source defines it.
Is the "variation I" pictured somewhere else in van Z? If you google it you will find several other like this described as a siraui?

Michael

David · 28th December 2011, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Thanks Detlef for the copy from van Z.
I hope that Albert is reading this thread so he can share where he found the name siraui and how his source defines it.
Is the "variation I" pictured somewhere else in van Z? If you google it you will find several other like this described as a siraui?

Michael

I may have missed it Michael, but i took a good look through Zonneveld last night for "type I" and couldn't find any similar knives with this keris-like dress.

VVV · 28th December 2011, 06:42 PM

Thanks David,

Then I don't know how to proceed being away from my main reference books for another 1,5 week. Let's hope Albert or someone else who have them available can jump in.

Michael

KuKulzA28 · 29th December 2011, 12:56 AM

I'm glad my thread-resurrection has stimulated some good discussion on the use of siraui...

I wonder though, why are there such fine examples, and some of them dressed like keris, if it was simply a utility knife?

The possibility of two forms, the often fullered ones and the ones with a choil(?) due to the edge dropping a lil from the tang... is intriguing. Maybe the siraui form was taken in a martial direction from the utility origins... ?

Someday I'd love to own a few, if only for a little bit... Sumatran weapons just don't cease on seizing my attention.

VVV · 29th December 2011, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

I'm glad my thread-resurrection has stimulated some good discussion on the use of siraui...

I wonder though, why are there such fine examples, and some of them dressed like keris, if it was simply a utility knife? [snip]

When I am back home I will try to add some more information on this. I checked when the "variation I" first appeared on the forum and it seems to be in this thread.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1897

Somehow several sources named it a siraui at that time.

Michael

28th December 2011, 04:29 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	And here the two examples Charles showed us in a other thread. Attached Images

28th December 2011, 04:45 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	And here a picture from my maybe wrong attributed Siraui with a Bagobo Sangi. Like Rick pointed out the shape is similar and let me think that both are utility knifes. Attached Images

28th December 2011, 05:12 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Detlef for the copy from van Z. I hope that Albert is reading this thread so he can share where he found the name siraui and how his source defines it. Is the "variation I" pictured somewhere else in van Z? If you google it you will find several other like this described as a siraui? Michael

28th December 2011, 06:42 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks David, Then I don't know how to proceed being away from my main reference books for another 1,5 week. Let's hope Albert or someone else who have them available can jump in. Michael

29th December 2011, 12:56 AM	#6
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I'm glad my thread-resurrection has stimulated some good discussion on the use of siraui... I wonder though, why are there such fine examples, and some of them dressed like keris, if it was simply a utility knife? The possibility of two forms, the often fullered ones and the ones with a choil(?) due to the edge dropping a lil from the tang... is intriguing. Maybe the siraui form was taken in a martial direction from the utility origins... ? Someday I'd love to own a few, if only for a little bit... Sumatran weapons just don't cease on seizing my attention.