Sirau and their use

David · 28th December 2011, 03:43 PM

I have noticed that when we talk about Siraui we seem to be talking about what appear to me to be two completely different forms of knife. The first one you show here, Michael, is similar to Lew's examples and to my eyes looks more like a utility knife than a fighter. The second blade you show with the fuller has a different blade form and sheath form and does have the look of a fighting knife. This is the same blade that Zonneveld identifies as a Siraui. Unless the word Siraui can also be translated as "knife" like pisaw it seems to me that someone has gotten something wrong somewhere.

VVV · 28th December 2011, 04:07 PM

David that's an interesting observation. The curved form of variation II is found on several agricultural knives too from this region.
Could you please enclose a snapshot of the text and pictures from van Z so all the source material is in this thread? I thought both versions were described in his book but I don't have it around?

Michael

Sajen · 28th December 2011, 04:25 PM

Not the best quality photo but all is to seen what we need.

Sajen · 28th December 2011, 04:29 PM

And here the two examples Charles showed us in a other thread.

Sajen · 28th December 2011, 04:45 PM

And here a picture from my maybe wrong attributed Siraui with a Bagobo Sangi. Like Rick pointed out the shape is similar and let me think that both are utility knifes.

VVV · 28th December 2011, 05:12 PM

Thanks Detlef for the copy from van Z.
I hope that Albert is reading this thread so he can share where he found the name siraui and how his source defines it.
Is the "variation I" pictured somewhere else in van Z? If you google it you will find several other like this described as a siraui?

Michael

David · 28th December 2011, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Thanks Detlef for the copy from van Z.
I hope that Albert is reading this thread so he can share where he found the name siraui and how his source defines it.
Is the "variation I" pictured somewhere else in van Z? If you google it you will find several other like this described as a siraui?

Michael

I may have missed it Michael, but i took a good look through Zonneveld last night for "type I" and couldn't find any similar knives with this keris-like dress.

28th December 2011, 04:25 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Not the best quality photo but all is to seen what we need. Attached Images

28th December 2011, 04:29 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	And here the two examples Charles showed us in a other thread. Attached Images

28th December 2011, 04:45 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	And here a picture from my maybe wrong attributed Siraui with a Bagobo Sangi. Like Rick pointed out the shape is similar and let me think that both are utility knifes. Attached Images

28th December 2011, 03:43 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I have noticed that when we talk about Siraui we seem to be talking about what appear to me to be two completely different forms of knife. The first one you show here, Michael, is similar to Lew's examples and to my eyes looks more like a utility knife than a fighter. The second blade you show with the fuller has a different blade form and sheath form and does have the look of a fighting knife. This is the same blade that Zonneveld identifies as a Siraui. Unless the word Siraui can also be translated as "knife" like pisaw it seems to me that someone has gotten something wrong somewhere.

28th December 2011, 04:07 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	David that's an interesting observation. The curved form of variation II is found on several agricultural knives too from this region. Could you please enclose a snapshot of the text and pictures from van Z so all the source material is in this thread? I thought both versions were described in his book but I don't have it around? Michael

28th December 2011, 05:12 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Detlef for the copy from van Z. I hope that Albert is reading this thread so he can share where he found the name siraui and how his source defines it. Is the "variation I" pictured somewhere else in van Z? If you google it you will find several other like this described as a siraui? Michael