Sirau and their use

VVV · 26th December 2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

Zonneveld refer to Fischer 1918, does Fischers work/s nominate any further details?

Gavin, if you give me the exact reference I can maybe look it up. I am traveling so I don't have van Z with me but I do have a copy of Fischer on my computer.
The Siraui is a utility knife and with small adaptions (like the way the knife is shifted in for instance Silat Bondawasa, for those of you who have trained with Uncle Bill) all the 6 listed grips are possible. I suspect that they were intended to be used, utility-wise, in a forward grip with edge down.

Michael

Gavin Nugent · 27th December 2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Gavin, if you give me the exact reference I can maybe look it up. I am traveling so I don't have van Z with me but I do have a copy of Fischer on my computer.
The Siraui is a utility knife and with small adaptions (like the way the knife is shifted in for instance Silat Bondawasa, for those of you who have trained with Uncle Bill) all the 6 listed grips are possible. I suspect that they were intended to be used, utility-wise, in a forward grip with edge down.

Michael

Michael, no exact reference is given other than the date

I am not familiar with the art of or grips of the Siraui, perhaps someone can show this style of knife in these grips

Gavin

David · 27th December 2011, 09:48 PM

It seems to me that the grip would be somewhat determined by what task you were applying the utility knife to....

Lew · 27th December 2011, 10:06 PM

The only way to really use this style knife is pistol type forward grip edge up. Any other grip would seem too awkward to me.

Rick · 27th December 2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lew

The only way to really use this style knife is pistol type forward grip edge up. Any other grip would seem too awkward to me.

Unless for utilitarian use, Lew .
I think this is a non-combat oriented form .

Reminds me of the 'Moro/Bagobo Women's Knife' configuration .

Sajen · 28th December 2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Unless for utilitarian use, Lew .
I think this is a non-combat oriented form .

Reminds me of the 'Moro/Bagobo Women's Knife' configuration .

Agree with you that this are mainly utility knifes and when used in combat the only way which make sense is the one Lew described.
I have had the same thoughts in this thread, post #8: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=siraui

Lew · 28th December 2011, 02:48 AM

I just had the siraui in my hand and tried all the grips and the only that makes sense is the pistol forward grip.

David · 28th December 2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Agree with you that this are mainly utility knifes and when used in combat the only way which make sense is the one Lew described.
I have had the same thoughts in this thread, post #8: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=siraui

Can anyone show any references, either written or photographic that these knives have ever been used as a combat blade?

27th December 2011, 09:48 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	It seems to me that the grip would be somewhat determined by what task you were applying the utility knife to....

27th December 2011, 10:06 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The only way to really use this style knife is pistol type forward grip edge up. Any other grip would seem too awkward to me.

28th December 2011, 02:48 AM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I just had the siraui in my hand and tried all the grips and the only that makes sense is the pistol forward grip.