Please help to identify these two blades

Dom · 22nd December 2011, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE SMALLER A DAGGER FROM SYRIA LIKLY BONE, HORN AND WOOD FOR THE GRIP BUT IVORY IS ALSO USED HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES.

Welcome "Urbanarcheologist"
I'm a little bit spectic concerning "Vandoo" idea's
- yes, Syrian daggers grip are made with the same fashion, alternace of; bone, horn, copper
BUT
- the scabbard, it's far from what it's made in Middle-East
- the blade quality it's very far from what it's made in Middle-East
conclusion,
I dunno from where it's come from this dagger, but Syria, I've a strong doubt

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Dom

Urbanarcheologist · 22nd December 2011, 08:23 AM

Thank you all for your input. The handle of the small blade looks to be a mixture of Ivory, Bone and Ebony with the brass inlay. I am really interested to find out more about it. Some of the other items I got with this same stuff was from Africa that is why I kind of assumed it may be from there as well, but I also got an Italian 1871 Sabre with this stuff as well.

Lew · 22nd December 2011, 12:05 PM

Greetings UA

The curved dagger is North African probably Ethiopian. Your sword is Shi havu an older example. Just for the record I edited out your last question about the value of your items. It is against forum policy to ask for appraisals.

kahnjar1 · 22nd December 2011, 04:48 PM

I agree that the dagger is likely from Ethiopia, and not Middle East.
Regards Stu

roanoa · 26th December 2011, 05:49 AM

Hi. The dagger is for sure Ethiopian. They are still being sold in the MERCATO in Addis Abeba. On a different note: I am always puzzled when I hear Ethiopia being referred to as Noth Africa..... This would imply that, for example, Ghana , Nigeria, Cameroon and Somalia are to be considered North African countries?

kronckew · 26th December 2011, 08:33 AM

yup, all north of the equator, those countries are in the northern hemisphere, hence northern africa. ...southern africa is south of the equator. South Africa is, of course, also in south africa

if the equator passes thru the country, complexicating the above daffynition, they are called equitorial africa.

roanoa · 26th December 2011, 04:56 PM

Thank you for the clarification. Though it goes against everything I ever learned in my Geography classes and the definition of North Africa by the United Nations.

22nd December 2011, 08:23 AM	#2
Urbanarcheologist Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ephrata Washington Posts: 2	Thanks Thank you all for your input. The handle of the small blade looks to be a mixture of Ivory, Bone and Ebony with the brass inlay. I am really interested to find out more about it. Some of the other items I got with this same stuff was from Africa that is why I kind of assumed it may be from there as well, but I also got an Italian 1871 Sabre with this stuff as well. Last edited by Lew; 22nd December 2011 at 11:53 AM.

22nd December 2011, 12:05 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Greetings UA The curved dagger is North African probably Ethiopian. Your sword is Shi havu an older example. Just for the record I edited out your last question about the value of your items. It is against forum policy to ask for appraisals.

22nd December 2011, 04:48 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,802	I agree that the dagger is likely from Ethiopia, and not Middle East. Regards Stu

26th December 2011, 05:49 AM	#5
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Hi. The dagger is for sure Ethiopian. They are still being sold in the MERCATO in Addis Abeba. On a different note: I am always puzzled when I hear Ethiopia being referred to as Noth Africa..... This would imply that, for example, Ghana , Nigeria, Cameroon and Somalia are to be considered North African countries?

26th December 2011, 08:33 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,239	yup, all north of the equator, those countries are in the northern hemisphere, hence northern africa. ...southern africa is south of the equator. South Africa is, of course, also in south africa if the equator passes thru the country, complexicating the above daffynition, they are called equitorial africa.

26th December 2011, 04:56 PM	#7
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Thank you for the clarification. Though it goes against everything I ever learned in my Geography classes and the definition of North Africa by the United Nations.