yataghan translation

TVV · 19th December 2011, 04:06 PM

Thank you Dom!
Teodor

Zifir · 19th December 2011, 06:56 PM

Hi,
I did not translate Maaşallah on the picture, because I ran out of space. Probably it does not need translation for many but anyway; "Maaşallah" literally means "what wonders Allah has willed" and is used to avert evil eye.

Best,
Zifir

TVV · 20th December 2011, 05:48 AM

A somewhat unusual and a very poetic inscription, thank you Zifir! Could its meaning be interpreted as a janissary defiance to the Sultan towards the end of the corps, during Mahmud II's reign? Or is the emaning entirely different?
Teodor

Zifir · 20th December 2011, 04:44 PM

Hi Teodor,
I came across this inscription a few times, for the examples you can look at these threads:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=g%F6n%FCl

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=g%F6n%FCl

Interesting idea about how to interpret the inscription, I never thought it in that way. How did the owners choose a certain inscription over others, or did they really choose which inscriptions to put on their yatağans, I really don't know. Also the title Ağa (or Agha) is a tricky one, this title was used by all the military classes. The owner could be a janissary as Dom pointed out, he could be also a member of artillery corps, naval soldier, a member of ruling elite etc etc. no way of telling with this little piece of information.

dandi · 20th December 2011, 06:59 PM

Hi all,
Thank you very much for the attention you have paid to me!
I believe you are great men with great hearts! That is why I will do my best in future to show you articles that will be interesting for you.
I would like to thank personally to Dom as he was the man who has first met me here in the forum.I will remember him forever!
To Zifir I could say a great Thank you! too! I am a craftsman and I often go to Istanbul. Who knows HE /God may give us the chance to meet one day!

And I am waiting for Teo to meet in person and treat him for his help!

Some words about the inscription in my opinion it comes from the Koran I guess or it is just a religious text which says that heart which is righteous, does not hold a Muslim in contempt. This is Islamic value.
Regards,
Dandi

TVV · 26th March 2012, 09:26 PM

At the request of a Bulgarian friend, I am attaching a yataghan inscription for translation. To comply with the unofficial rules, I am also attaching a picture of the entire blade in the state, in which it was found, prior to cleaning.

All responses appreciated, thank you,
Teodor

David R · 28th March 2012, 12:46 PM

Hi TVV thanks for posting these pics.
Damaged, incomplete, and stripped weapons are often more informative than perfect examples. Letting us see how a weapon was constructed, details often hidden in a perfect piece.
Before and after conservation, repair and reconstruction pictures are not only informative, but allow us to appreciate the skill of whoever does the work.

19th December 2011, 06:56 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, I did not translate Maaşallah on the picture, because I ran out of space. Probably it does not need translation for many but anyway; "Maaşallah" literally means "what wonders Allah has willed" and is used to avert evil eye. Best, Zifir Attached Images

20th December 2011, 05:48 AM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	A somewhat unusual and a very poetic inscription, thank you Zifir! Could its meaning be interpreted as a janissary defiance to the Sultan towards the end of the corps, during Mahmud II's reign? Or is the emaning entirely different? Teodor Last edited by TVV; 20th December 2011 at 05:59 AM.

26th March 2012, 09:26 PM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	At the request of a Bulgarian friend, I am attaching a yataghan inscription for translation. To comply with the unofficial rules, I am also attaching a picture of the entire blade in the state, in which it was found, prior to cleaning. All responses appreciated, thank you, Teodor Attached Images

19th December 2011, 04:06 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Thank you Dom! Teodor

20th December 2011, 04:44 PM	#4
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi Teodor, I came across this inscription a few times, for the examples you can look at these threads: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=g%F6n%FCl http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=g%F6n%FCl Interesting idea about how to interpret the inscription, I never thought it in that way. How did the owners choose a certain inscription over others, or did they really choose which inscriptions to put on their yatağans, I really don't know. Also the title Ağa (or Agha) is a tricky one, this title was used by all the military classes. The owner could be a janissary as Dom pointed out, he could be also a member of artillery corps, naval soldier, a member of ruling elite etc etc. no way of telling with this little piece of information.

20th December 2011, 06:59 PM	#5
dandi Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 19	Hi all, Thank you very much for the attention you have paid to me! I believe you are great men with great hearts! That is why I will do my best in future to show you articles that will be interesting for you. I would like to thank personally to Dom as he was the man who has first met me here in the forum.I will remember him forever! To Zifir I could say a great Thank you! too! I am a craftsman and I often go to Istanbul. Who knows HE /God may give us the chance to meet one day! And I am waiting for Teo to meet in person and treat him for his help! Some words about the inscription in my opinion it comes from the Koran I guess or it is just a religious text which says that heart which is righteous, does not hold a Muslim in contempt. This is Islamic value. Regards, Dandi

28th March 2012, 12:46 PM	#7
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	Hi TVV thanks for posting these pics. Damaged, incomplete, and stripped weapons are often more informative than perfect examples. Letting us see how a weapon was constructed, details often hidden in a perfect piece. Before and after conservation, repair and reconstruction pictures are not only informative, but allow us to appreciate the skill of whoever does the work.