The traditional art of keris making

[Pusaka]

One thing I noticed is that so far I have not seen a list in which one of the wesi was from meteorite Iron which I think is strange as every other type of Iron is listed.

I was told by one guru that this knowledge actually related to a secret which concerns esoteric knowledge of the human body i.e. is not to be taken literally but a person should seek to understand its deeper meaning.

[David]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

One thing I noticed is that so far I have not seen a list in which one of the wesi was from meteorite Iron which I think is strange as every other type of Iron is listed.

Why do you find this so strange? What could this possibly tell us about the use of meteoric ore in old keris?

[PenangsangII]

wesi meteor as pamor material that can be 100 pct proven is in the PB / HB era as Prambanan meteor till today still exist for everyone to see.

in the older era, wesi pamor that was used are from earth, that may have originally come from the sky as 'bapa angkasa' thousands or even millions of yrs ago.

[David]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

wesi meteor as pamor material that can be 100 pct proven is in the PB / HB era as Prambanan meteor till today still exist for everyone to see.

in the older era, wesi pamor that was used are from earth, that may have originally come from the sky as 'bapa angkasa' thousands or even millions of yrs ago.

Before we all enter into this discussion of meteoric ore in keris blades i would urge any interested party to search our archives for the many previous discussions we have had on the subject. I would especially point you all to this particular lengthy thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...eteorite+keris
For many, much of what cannot be proven that one has taken as true in life is a matter of pure faith. For many, believing is enough to make it so and frankly i have no arguments with this. There are in fact many things i firmly believe in that i cannot provide any real evidence for. As Penangsang has pointed out we have hard evidence of the Prambanan meteorite fall sometime in the mid-18th century. We know that ore from this fall was in fact reserved to make a limited number of keris, perhaps as early as the late 18th century. I have yet to see any evidence that can provide proof of the use of meteorite in keris making before this time. So any belief that i might have of the existence of keris with meteoric pamor previous to this i must hold purely on faith. If anyone can show me any reference to writings from before the Prambanan fall that make reference to the use of meteorite as a key component to the creation of the keris i would personally be most grateful. Until then i am not sure that i see any worth is creating yet another thread that covers the same old ground of speculation and faith based on current mythologies.

[Pusaka]

If those lists are to be taken literally then it is proof of Iron being imported into Indonesia from diverse places eg Tumbuk Iron = Ceylon, Kamboja Iron = Cambodia.
You can find bits of meteorite in the UK which are not recorded either because it fell in ancient times, fell in a remote place out of view or was just too small to be noticed, I don’t see why it should not be the same anywhere else on Earth however not really interested in discussing this as it has already been said.
I’m not sure these lists are to be taken literally however because I rather doubt that there are even 16 types of Iron ore in nature.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

I rather doubt that there are even 16 types of Iron ore in nature.

There are many many types of iron ores on earth but if these 16 types of iron product bear some reality, it can only be explained by the type and amounts of impurities (carbon, sulphur, nickel, silicium, etc...) into the iron after processing of the ore, which give them their specific properties, aspect, and colour. I would assume that some analysis of these various types of iron were performed in the labs of the Javanese Universities.
Regards