Wilah from?

Harley · 10th December 2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, but modern and not particularly good quality.

It wouldn't be my choice either, but isn't the gerantim also more common on Lombok?
If not i am going for the gerantim.

Thanks Mr Maisey.

A. G. Maisey · 10th December 2011, 01:19 AM

No, gerantim was not more common on Lombok. In past times it was a hilt normally used by the nobility of Bali, most especially in the form which was wrapped with woven gold.

Ben, you cannot convert your present almost cenangan into a gerantim, because then the proportions will definitely be wrong. If you want to do gerantim you'll need to start again and take account of the sprout on top, however, a gerantim out of plain wood seems to me to just a little unfitting.

You could bind what you have with twine and have a loncengan, but although these are not out of place on Bali, they were more common on Lombok.

Or you can slightly modify what you have a finish up with a pretty acceptable cenangan.

Harley · 10th December 2011, 01:38 AM

I am sorry Mr Maisey, but i meant the gerantim that you adjusted, without the sprout, and there was my mistake, then is was a cenangan

Maybe i start again with a new one, and make the top, middle, en bottom apart,
that way i always can change the proportions, and i think it's nicer with a difference in grain.
But we'll see.

regards,
Ben

A. G. Maisey · 10th December 2011, 02:20 AM

Thanks Ben. Understood.

Jean · 10th December 2011, 07:09 PM

Some more specimens of cenangan style hilts having some age.
Best regards

David · 10th December 2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Some more specimens of cenangan style hilts having some age.
Best regards

Jean, why do you believe these specimens have some age?

Harley · 10th December 2011, 09:11 PM

Thanks Jean,

They are much better looking then the ones i found.
In the last 2 pictures you can see swastika's in the engraving!

regards,
Ben

Jean · 10th December 2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Jean, why do you believe these specimens have some age?

Hehe, just because I bought them more than 15 years ago and they were in the same condition as today (used)...

Of course I don't mean that they are old, but at least 20 to 30 years.
Regards

10th December 2011, 07:09 PM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Some more specimens of cenangan style hilts having some age. Best regards Attached Images

10th December 2011, 01:19 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	No, gerantim was not more common on Lombok. In past times it was a hilt normally used by the nobility of Bali, most especially in the form which was wrapped with woven gold. Ben, you cannot convert your present almost cenangan into a gerantim, because then the proportions will definitely be wrong. If you want to do gerantim you'll need to start again and take account of the sprout on top, however, a gerantim out of plain wood seems to me to just a little unfitting. You could bind what you have with twine and have a loncengan, but although these are not out of place on Bali, they were more common on Lombok. Or you can slightly modify what you have a finish up with a pretty acceptable cenangan.

10th December 2011, 01:38 AM	#3
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	I am sorry Mr Maisey, but i meant the gerantim that you adjusted, without the sprout, and there was my mistake, then is was a cenangan Maybe i start again with a new one, and make the top, middle, en bottom apart, that way i always can change the proportions, and i think it's nicer with a difference in grain. But we'll see. regards, Ben

10th December 2011, 02:20 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Thanks Ben. Understood.

10th December 2011, 09:11 PM	#7
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks Jean, They are much better looking then the ones i found. In the last 2 pictures you can see swastika's in the engraving! regards, Ben