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Harley · 9th December 2011, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Do you have any images of a cenangan that you can copy? What you have produced is already very close.

I have been searching for it, and found 4 pic' s here on the forum, but the ones that i see here have a lot of beams over the entire hilt, or is that a sort of free style?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7035

Sajen · 9th December 2011, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I have been searching for it, and found 4 pic' s here on the forum, but the ones that i see here have a lot of beams over the entire hilt, or is that a sort of free style?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7035

Hi Harley,

I think that the both hilts from this thread are recent.

Regards,

Detlef

Harley · 9th December 2011, 07:32 PM

Thanks Detlef,

Do you know where i can find a picture of a cenangan?

regards,
Ben

Sajen · 9th December 2011, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

Thanks Detlef,

Do you know where i can find a picture of a cenangan?

regards,
Ben

I will look for, let me time until tomorrow. But maybe someone more fast as I am?

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 9th December 2011, 10:11 PM

The cenangan form is scarce. I suspect it is a pretty recent form, and a development and simplification of the gerantim form.

The two cenangan in Harley's link are recent, and the only photos I could find of cenangan hilts are also over-blown recent ones.

Essentially, the cenangan is the gerantim without the sprout on top.

Pictured is a gerantim --- with sprout--- and the same hilt with the sprout painted out, which makes it a cenangan.

Ben, this would be an easy hilt for you to use as a model:- reduce the raised parts that I commented on previously, and give them a bit of a curve, and you've just about done the job. The checkering is not necessary, this is the only Bali hilt I've seen that had checkering.

Re the wood:- yes, it is jati gembol.

Harley · 9th December 2011, 10:40 PM

I am glad I'm not the only one that couldn't find it

Yes the gerantim is close to what i have now, and the rest is easy to adjust.
But now I know what it looks like, i have found this picture, is that the cenangan?

A. G. Maisey · 9th December 2011, 10:46 PM

Yes, but modern and not particularly good quality.

9th December 2011, 07:32 PM	#3
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks Detlef, Do you know where i can find a picture of a cenangan? regards, Ben Last edited by Harley; 9th December 2011 at 08:42 PM.

9th December 2011, 10:11 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	The cenangan form is scarce. I suspect it is a pretty recent form, and a development and simplification of the gerantim form. The two cenangan in Harley's link are recent, and the only photos I could find of cenangan hilts are also over-blown recent ones. Essentially, the cenangan is the gerantim without the sprout on top. Pictured is a gerantim --- with sprout--- and the same hilt with the sprout painted out, which makes it a cenangan. Ben, this would be an easy hilt for you to use as a model:- reduce the raised parts that I commented on previously, and give them a bit of a curve, and you've just about done the job. The checkering is not necessary, this is the only Bali hilt I've seen that had checkering. Re the wood:- yes, it is jati gembol. Attached Images

9th December 2011, 10:40 PM	#6
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	I am glad I'm not the only one that couldn't find it Yes the gerantim is close to what i have now, and the rest is easy to adjust. But now I know what it looks like, i have found this picture, is that the cenangan? Attached Images

9th December 2011, 10:46 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Yes, but modern and not particularly good quality.