Arabic STAMP on tulwar blade

Atlantia · 22nd November 2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

Pictures are too big to upload here, so here're the links -
http://antiquearmsforum.com/forum/do...=203&mode=view
http://antiquearmsforum.com/forum/do...=204&mode=view
http://antiquearmsforum.com/forum/do...=205&mode=view

Here you go.

Jens Nordlunde · 22nd November 2011, 09:50 PM

Dmitry and others, please notice that inscriptions on blades are read from the back of the blade and not from the sharp side of the blade.
Jens

Dmitry · 23rd November 2011, 02:25 AM

Here's the right side.

The stars in constellation with the moon are attributed by Bezdek to the Schimmelbusch family of bladesmiths. I'm sure there were others with similar marks.
Ever since buying this sword I assumed the characters on the other side of the blade were just talismanic characters, but if it's a real language, I'd love to be proven wrong.

Dom · 23rd November 2011, 01:36 PM

matter ... to burn out our brains

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Dom

Dmitry · 23rd November 2011, 02:12 PM

Dom, thank you very much! I wonder what these inscriptions signify on these blades. I still believe that both blades are of European manufacture, probably from Solingen. Both made for export/import? One ended up in India, the other one was mounted on a hussar-style hilt..

Jim McDougall · 24th November 2011, 07:10 AM

These are Solingen blades, but markings apparantly added in the markets where they were received. The crescent moon and stars groupings are typically in the blade center location (very much like some blades out of Solingen about mid to third quarter 19th c.) but occur on blades in Zanzibar and Yemen in different configurations. In looking at the Schimmelbusch& Kirschbaum marking in Bezdek (p.152) the image is of a shooting star in a group of stars, not crescent moon, however as usual there were likely variations.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 25th November 2011, 06:15 AM

Salaams all~ See Kattara for comments TVV THREAD #28 AND #81. Moons and Stars.

Please also note my new Omani Sword Terminology at # 155 on the same thread.

The straight is a Sayf and the Curved is a Kattara.

Regards Ibrahiim.

23rd November 2011, 02:25 AM	#3
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Here's the right side. The stars in constellation with the moon are attributed by Bezdek to the Schimmelbusch family of bladesmiths. I'm sure there were others with similar marks. Ever since buying this sword I assumed the characters on the other side of the blade were just talismanic characters, but if it's a real language, I'd love to be proven wrong. Attached Images

23rd November 2011, 01:36 PM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	matter ... to burn out our brains à + Dom Attached Images

22nd November 2011, 09:50 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Dmitry and others, please notice that inscriptions on blades are read from the back of the blade and not from the sharp side of the blade. Jens

23rd November 2011, 02:12 PM	#5
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Dom, thank you very much! I wonder what these inscriptions signify on these blades. I still believe that both blades are of European manufacture, probably from Solingen. Both made for export/import? One ended up in India, the other one was mounted on a hussar-style hilt..

24th November 2011, 07:10 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	These are Solingen blades, but markings apparantly added in the markets where they were received. The crescent moon and stars groupings are typically in the blade center location (very much like some blades out of Solingen about mid to third quarter 19th c.) but occur on blades in Zanzibar and Yemen in different configurations. In looking at the Schimmelbusch& Kirschbaum marking in Bezdek (p.152) the image is of a shooting star in a group of stars, not crescent moon, however as usual there were likely variations.

25th November 2011, 06:15 AM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all~ See Kattara for comments TVV THREAD #28 AND #81. Moons and Stars. Please also note my new Omani Sword Terminology at # 155 on the same thread. The straight is a Sayf and the Curved is a Kattara. Regards Ibrahiim.