Sword with Eagle head and Ivory handle

Coomagirl · 29th July 2011, 03:06 AM

and 2 more photos. It was bought quite a while ago. Put away and So I never found out from the threads whether it was a souvenier or original. Is it worth anything or just a talking piece for the mantle?
thanks for your quick responses.

Rick · 29th July 2011, 05:46 PM

My eyes !
The goggles do no good !

That's the culprit .

Not sure if we definitively came to a conclusion as to it's place in the hierarchy of 'old swords' .

These weapons certainly do not look like they would stand up to conflict (other than over opinions about them ) .

fearn · 29th July 2011, 06:02 PM

Hi Rick,

So which forum does it belong in again?

Seriously, these are the most "magical" swords ever posted on the forum, especially given the reactions they cause. Every self-respecting sorcerer needs a sword marked "shiver kewl," don't you think?

F

M ELEY · 31st July 2011, 02:44 AM

Definately not fighters. Perhaps some pre-date the "60's". Fraternal or as honor swords as Jim astutely pointed out. I've seen an earlier varient in some of Fagan's and Frederick's Sword catalogs that I'm convinced is the original pattern for these swords. Always listed as an Indonesian officer's (?) dress sword from WWII period with same griffon-type head, but a guard that oddly twists like an ocean wave (naval??). Perhaps I can find a pic of one of these...

Jim McDougall · 31st July 2011, 05:31 AM

Thanks again Jeff, and Mark!!!

Coomagirl, thank you for being such a good sport with all of this, and for giving us all a fun memory.

While the sword itself may not be of great value, it certainly has a kind of intrinsic appeal, and apparantly someone took some effort to allude to the history of the VOC (Vereenigde Oost Indische Compagnie, VOC) the Dutch India Co. As I mentioned, these particular swords appear to have been commercially produced and used in some regard associated with the Indonesian Navy. Obviously they were never intended to be combat weapons, but ceremonial regalia.

Whoever put the scribed markings on this sword apparantly used detail out of references to suggest historical connections, but not especially well done.
The sword itself is of mid to latter 19th century style, resembling many swords for naval officers, and clearly later than the 1798 end of the VOC.
As noted, these kinds of swords were produced well into the 20th century, into the 60s.

Whether to keep it or not? As always, up to the individual, but if anything, its a conversation piece here, and now part of one of the true legends of forum lore.

All the very best,
Jim

Coomagirl · 3rd August 2011, 06:21 AM

thanks for all your help Guys, this has been a very interesting journey. Plan to keep searching for the elusive

Jim McDougall · 3rd August 2011, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coomagirl

thanks for all your help Guys, this has been a very interesting journey. Plan to keep searching for the elusive

We always do Coomagirl!!!...we always do !

29th July 2011, 03:06 AM	#1
Coomagirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 7	and 2 more photos. It was bought quite a while ago. Put away and So I never found out from the threads whether it was a souvenier or original. Is it worth anything or just a talking piece for the mantle? thanks for your quick responses. Attached Images

29th July 2011, 05:46 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	My eyes ! The goggles do no good ! That's the culprit . Not sure if we definitively came to a conclusion as to it's place in the hierarchy of 'old swords' . These weapons certainly do not look like they would stand up to conflict (other than over opinions about them ) .

29th July 2011, 06:02 PM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Rick, So which forum does it belong in again? Seriously, these are the most "magical" swords ever posted on the forum, especially given the reactions they cause. Every self-respecting sorcerer needs a sword marked "shiver kewl," don't you think? F

31st July 2011, 02:44 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Definately not fighters. Perhaps some pre-date the "60's". Fraternal or as honor swords as Jim astutely pointed out. I've seen an earlier varient in some of Fagan's and Frederick's Sword catalogs that I'm convinced is the original pattern for these swords. Always listed as an Indonesian officer's (?) dress sword from WWII period with same griffon-type head, but a guard that oddly twists like an ocean wave (naval??). Perhaps I can find a pic of one of these...

31st July 2011, 05:31 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Thanks again Jeff, and Mark!!! Coomagirl, thank you for being such a good sport with all of this, and for giving us all a fun memory. While the sword itself may not be of great value, it certainly has a kind of intrinsic appeal, and apparantly someone took some effort to allude to the history of the VOC (Vereenigde Oost Indische Compagnie, VOC) the Dutch India Co. As I mentioned, these particular swords appear to have been commercially produced and used in some regard associated with the Indonesian Navy. Obviously they were never intended to be combat weapons, but ceremonial regalia. Whoever put the scribed markings on this sword apparantly used detail out of references to suggest historical connections, but not especially well done. The sword itself is of mid to latter 19th century style, resembling many swords for naval officers, and clearly later than the 1798 end of the VOC. As noted, these kinds of swords were produced well into the 20th century, into the 60s. Whether to keep it or not? As always, up to the individual, but if anything, its a conversation piece here, and now part of one of the true legends of forum lore. All the very best, Jim

3rd August 2011, 06:21 AM	#6
Coomagirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 7	thanks for all your help Guys, this has been a very interesting journey. Plan to keep searching for the elusive