Shamshir (yes you've guessed it No.3) translation request please

katana · 3rd July 2011, 02:53 PM

Hi Dom,
thank you very much for the translation

I believe that the sword came from the Iraq /Iran area, I will try and see if Sultan Birati has any association with this region. If not, you've been very helpful with the India connection

Hi Alnakkas and Stu,
thank you very much for the added information, especially about bakelite, very interesting and helpful

Kindest Regards
David

tom hyle · 7th July 2011, 03:20 PM

Note how the grips go into the guard and under the lagnets, unlike with shamshir #2
Note how the guard is assembled by hammer welds.
What is the feature that in the sixth photo looks like a modern weld spot at the juncture of guard and handle at the front edge?

katana · 10th July 2011, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom hyle

Note how the grips go into the guard and under the lagnets, unlike with shamshir #2
Note how the guard is assembled by hammer welds.
What is the feature that in the sixth photo looks like a modern weld spot at the juncture of guard and handle at the front edge?

Hi Hawkeye

,
yes seems to be a 'modern spot weld' but why its there ???
it serves no function

Kind Regards David

tom hyle · 10th July 2011, 12:24 PM

Is there a tang band? (an applied strip of metal affixed perpendicular to the edge of the tang to yeild an "I beam" type construction) I think it may tack down the end of the tang band. Very risky for the strength of the blade, welding without retempering.

3rd July 2011, 02:53 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Dom, thank you very much for the translation I believe that the sword came from the Iraq /Iran area, I will try and see if Sultan Birati has any association with this region. If not, you've been very helpful with the India connection Hi Alnakkas and Stu, thank you very much for the added information, especially about bakelite, very interesting and helpful Kindest Regards David

7th July 2011, 03:20 PM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Note how the grips go into the guard and under the lagnets, unlike with shamshir #2 Note how the guard is assembled by hammer welds. What is the feature that in the sixth photo looks like a modern weld spot at the juncture of guard and handle at the front edge?

10th July 2011, 12:24 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Is there a tang band? (an applied strip of metal affixed perpendicular to the edge of the tang to yeild an "I beam" type construction) I think it may tack down the end of the tang band. Very risky for the strength of the blade, welding without retempering.