Nice Java Keris?

GIO · 29th June 2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Dear Michael
From the pics, IMO, gayaman (cendana?) pendok, mendak, ukiaran (tayuman?) seem OK. Also the blade seems enought old.
If the price is GOOD ................................why not to buy it!

I agree: good old blade with new clothes.

VVV · 30th June 2011, 01:03 PM

Thanks Marco and Gio,

Actually I already bought it, just needed some feedback because I would like to learn more about Javanese keris.

Michael

Gustav · 30th June 2011, 02:30 PM

I also have my difficulties with old Javanese keris. They mostly are worn down in a degree, which makes very difficult to appreciate them as a work of art (for an european), even if the details were good shaped in original state.

Probably the best way to learn, what are the norms of good workmanship, is to take Jensen's CD and compare it with the well preserved european examples there, detail for detail.

The gonjo looks a little bit strange to me - a replacement? Probably different material used.

GIO · 30th June 2011, 04:28 PM

The gonjo looks a little bit strange to me - a replacement? Probably different material used.[/QUOTE]

Yes, most probably a replacement: it doesn't match neither size nor pamor.

Sajen · 30th June 2011, 05:57 PM

Hello Michael,

nice keris you get there. I think that it have the dapur Carita Keprabon (11 luk, 2 lambe gajah, kembang kacang, jalen ..). I don't think that the wrongko is recent since I see wear. The very well carved hilt may be recent but is good matching. The blade shall get a new stain to see better the pamor, I think that will come out a nice wos wutah. Is the pendok from gold or gold plated?

Regards,

Detlef

Greybeard · 30th June 2011, 06:24 PM

Hello Michel

I agree with Detlef: Carita Keprabon, pamor Wos Wutah. The ganja might have been replaced. In any event, in my opinion it's a very nice keris -- congratulations!

Regards,

Heinz

Greybeard · 30th June 2011, 06:27 PM

Sorry, Michael -- I just noticed that I misspelt your name ...

Regards,

Heinz

30th June 2011, 01:03 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Marco and Gio, Actually I already bought it, just needed some feedback because I would like to learn more about Javanese keris. Michael

30th June 2011, 02:30 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	I also have my difficulties with old Javanese keris. They mostly are worn down in a degree, which makes very difficult to appreciate them as a work of art (for an european), even if the details were good shaped in original state. Probably the best way to learn, what are the norms of good workmanship, is to take Jensen's CD and compare it with the well preserved european examples there, detail for detail. The gonjo looks a little bit strange to me - a replacement? Probably different material used.

30th June 2011, 04:28 PM	#4
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 330	The gonjo looks a little bit strange to me - a replacement? Probably different material used.[/QUOTE] Yes, most probably a replacement: it doesn't match neither size nor pamor.

30th June 2011, 05:57 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,325	Hello Michael, nice keris you get there. I think that it have the dapur Carita Keprabon (11 luk, 2 lambe gajah, kembang kacang, jalen ..). I don't think that the wrongko is recent since I see wear. The very well carved hilt may be recent but is good matching. The blade shall get a new stain to see better the pamor, I think that will come out a nice wos wutah. Is the pendok from gold or gold plated? Regards, Detlef

30th June 2011, 06:24 PM	#6
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Michel I agree with Detlef: Carita Keprabon, pamor Wos Wutah. The ganja might have been replaced. In any event, in my opinion it's a very nice keris -- congratulations! Regards, Heinz

30th June 2011, 06:27 PM	#7
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Sorry, Michael -- I just noticed that I misspelt your name ... Regards, Heinz