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Old 15th June 2011, 04:05 PM   #1
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So, combining the excellent works of Messrs Alnakkas and Murugal, we have the following:

This Golok was part of the movement and armed struggle for Indonesian Independance.
It is Soenda, from Priangan, Soemedang Regency. They were carried by Sajiddin (fighters prepared to die).

Having evaluated the translations of the blade inscriptions, I am going to assume that the correct 'order' would be the one that starts with the date, and ending with the repeated expression of assent and approval.

So, first side (top pair below):
"1365 ****unknown**** Yakfeekuhum Allah wa huwa al Samee' al Aleem Fa qute'ah dabir alqawm alatheen thalamu wa alhamdu lelah rab al alameen."

"1945 ****unknown**** And Enough for you is Allah, the all hearer, the all knower, So the ruse (or scheme) of the people who have commited injustice is cut (or stopped, or subdued) and praise be to Allah, the lord of the worlds."

And the Second side (bottom pair below):
"Nasrun min allah wa fat'hun kareeb, Wa bashir al mu'mineen. Wa ma ramait ith ramait laken allah rama ********unknown********* ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim ***unknown***"

"Close victory from God and close conquest, so give glad tidings to the believers. If you have shot your bow, it is not you who have shot, but it is God. ********unknown******** Repeated invocation ***unknown***"

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It seems to me that if we agree that it is 1945 the year of the beginning of the final struggle for independance and Indonesia's declaration of independence in that year leading to it's recognition by the Dutch in 1949, the choice of verse added to the date seems to suggest that this piece was part of that initial final movement and it's seeming enthusiasm as can be felt in the wording chosen here?

In short, it feels like it's saying to me: "it's 1945 year one of Indonesian Independance and there is no going back."
A declaration of intent but also of seeming expectation of victory (which as we know took another 4 years).

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Old 19th June 2011, 05:35 PM   #3
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So, combining the excellent works of Messrs Alnakkas and Murugal, we have the following:

This Golok was part of the movement and armed struggle for Indonesian Independance.
It is Soenda, from Priangan, Soemedang Regency. They were carried by Sajiddin (fighters prepared to die).

Having evaluated the translations of the blade inscriptions, I am going to assume that the correct 'order' would be the one that starts with the date, and ending with the repeated expression of assent and approval.

So, first side (top pair below):
"1365 ****unknown**** Yakfeekuhum Allah wa huwa al Samee' al Aleem Fa qute'ah dabir alqawm alatheen thalamu wa alhamdu lelah rab al alameen."

"1945 ****unknown**** And Enough for you is Allah, the all hearer, the all knower, So the ruse (or scheme) of the people who have commited injustice is cut (or stopped, or subdued) and praise be to Allah, the lord of the worlds."

And the Second side (bottom pair below):
"Nasrun min allah wa fat'hun kareeb, Wa bashir al mu'mineen. Wa ma ramait ith ramait laken allah rama ********unknown********* ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim, ha mim ***unknown***"

"Close victory from God and close conquest, so give glad tidings to the believers. If you have shot your bow, it is not you who have shot, but it is God. ********unknown******** Repeated invocation ***unknown***"

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Gene,

These indeed can be formed to make a sort of context, maybe that is what the scribe have ment. Each Quranic Surah has its own context and in general they are not mixed together.

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