Interesting scabbard/hilt bone

mrwizard · 24th May 2011, 04:24 PM

Hi Artisana,

According to this site http://www.hubert-herald.nl/IndoMadura.htm
the winged horse is the regional emblem of Sumenep.

Best Regards,
Thilo

David · 24th May 2011, 04:33 PM

I agree that the material looks suspect. Hard to be definitive from the photos. This is done in a Madurese style know as "gabilan". The blade is not a real keris however, but a roughly hewed tourist item. Note that it seems to have a rectangular tang and it does not appear to be forged by any traditional keris process. Is this another item presented to you by that same dukun?

Sajen · 24th May 2011, 06:25 PM

Hello Artisana,

the material of the sheath is definitely from a moulded material. I know this material since I have handled it time by time in Indonesia. I have seen sheaths and handles from this material. The hot needle test don't work very well by this material because it is very hard and it have a feel nearly like stone. The blade is just a piece of besi (iron) and have nothing to do with a keris.
Sorry, but I have to agree with the others.

Regards,

Detlef

Henk · 24th May 2011, 07:37 PM

Tourist stuff.

Sorry.

asomotif · 24th May 2011, 10:20 PM

Interesting scabbard indeed.

I knew the moulded handles, and also moulded sewar scabbards
But this is the first moulded madurese scabbard I see.

Not the real deal as already mentioned by the others.
But this website is about learning, so interesting to see this material.

Best regards,
Willem

David · 24th May 2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

But this website is about learning, so interesting to see this material.

Frankly Willem, i'm more disturbed than interested...

Rick · 24th May 2011, 11:31 PM

This stuff is like rock hard plaster of Paris .
I have seen this material also <from the losing end> .

Education costs money .

asomotif · 24th May 2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Frankly Willem, i'm more disturbed than interested...

Rick, I fully agree. but therefore interesting as a form of "detecting the fakes".

24th May 2011, 04:24 PM	#1
mrwizard Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 102	Hi Artisana, According to this site http://www.hubert-herald.nl/IndoMadura.htm the winged horse is the regional emblem of Sumenep. Best Regards, Thilo

24th May 2011, 04:33 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	I agree that the material looks suspect. Hard to be definitive from the photos. This is done in a Madurese style know as "gabilan". The blade is not a real keris however, but a roughly hewed tourist item. Note that it seems to have a rectangular tang and it does not appear to be forged by any traditional keris process. Is this another item presented to you by that same dukun?

24th May 2011, 06:25 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,330	Hello Artisana, the material of the sheath is definitely from a moulded material. I know this material since I have handled it time by time in Indonesia. I have seen sheaths and handles from this material. The hot needle test don't work very well by this material because it is very hard and it have a feel nearly like stone. The blade is just a piece of besi (iron) and have nothing to do with a keris. Sorry, but I have to agree with the others. Regards, Detlef

24th May 2011, 07:37 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Tourist stuff. Sorry.

24th May 2011, 10:20 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Interesting scabbard indeed. I knew the moulded handles, and also moulded sewar scabbards But this is the first moulded madurese scabbard I see. Not the real deal as already mentioned by the others. But this website is about learning, so interesting to see this material. Best regards, Willem

24th May 2011, 11:31 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	This stuff is like rock hard plaster of Paris . I have seen this material also <from the losing end> . Education costs money .