Katipunan Era Officer's Dagger

Battara · 2nd May 2011, 09:06 PM

Greetings! I got this off of ebay and restored the upper brass chape that was missing, and cleaned up the silver. Silver mounts on the hilt and the silver cross guard is in okir form (see below). Also notice that the leather is tooled in plant motif. Also notice the blade - similar in form to the Tejeros Convention dagger.

Enjoy!

Lew · 2nd May 2011, 09:16 PM

Jose

You did a great job

Battara · 2nd May 2011, 09:20 PM

Here is the comparison between the Tejeros Convention dagger and the dagger above:

carlos · 2nd May 2011, 09:34 PM

Congratulations!! I bid too in the auction,I think I wasthe second bidder

! But I´m happy to see the dagger was to a new owner fromthe forum, is a very beautiful dagger and your works in restoration is incredible!!
thansk for pictures
best regards
carlos

Sajen · 2nd May 2011, 09:45 PM

Jose, like usual great work and a very nice addition to your collection!

I wonder if the Tejeros Convention dagger now in your collection?

Regards,

Detlef

Robert · 2nd May 2011, 09:52 PM

Jose, I noticed the similarity of the blades when this dagger was first put up for auction and wondered if anyone else would notice it. I am very happy that you were the one who ended up winning it but, if I hadn't just got through spending too much money on bills I would have given you a real run for your money on it.

My congratulations to you for scoring this great piece. If you ever decide that you are tired of looking at it send it my way!!!

Robert

P.S.
Great restoration work on the scabbard!!!

Battara · 2nd May 2011, 11:38 PM

Thank you folks.

Yes Detlef I now have the Tejeros dagger thanks to Robert.

Robert, I was bidding on 2 things and this one caught my eye on the blade and the okir quillons (oh and yes I LOVE good silver work

).

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat. But true restoration or repair cuts down on as much guess work as possible. The form of the throat came from the pattern of the bottom chape and the pattern I found on the leather up top. I am tempted to restore the chape with the rest and a brass ball on bottom, but may leave it as it is for now..............

Below is the picture of the original condition.

Ferguson · 3rd May 2011, 02:20 AM

Very sweet dagger, and great work as always!
Steve

Dimasalang · 3rd May 2011, 05:03 PM

Beautiful piece! Looks awesome next to the Tejeros dagger. Why can't I ever get this lucky.

Atlantia · 3rd May 2011, 05:14 PM

It's beautiful! Great work, and a fantastic pair.
These are something that I never see over here in Blighty.

David · 3rd May 2011, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat.

Really? I think you did a great job on the restoration, but don't you think that would be going just a bit too far even if you were sure of the origin?

Battara · 3rd May 2011, 11:52 PM

Well David, only if the triangle was the custom on this particular piece. Since I don't know (it could be earlier) then I won't do anything more. I usually don't like to do more than I would have proof.

Battara · 4th May 2011, 07:49 AM

Also I forgot to mention that this was brought back by Captain George A. Campbell of Woburn, Massachusetts who fought in the Philippine-American War.

Glad to have at least some of the provenance.

Spunjer · 4th May 2011, 02:22 PM

Quote:

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat.

hi jose,
i see what david is saying, since i kinda took your statement he posted the same way. regarding the custom of adding a triangle, etc on pieces:
i could be wrong but, it was in my opinion that these symbols weren't added on these knives, swords, etc. because it's a must nor the custom, but rather it's more of a whim by the original owner. kinda like their personal signature, hence the reason why they are rare?
reminded me of a story about someone who added a sharpened back edge on a regular barung because he thought it was neat, or perhaps to enhance the value?

Battara · 4th May 2011, 05:08 PM

Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy..........

Sajen · 4th May 2011, 05:38 PM

Hello Jose,

you have done well that you don't add the triangle. Agree complete with you!

eric45 · 4th May 2011, 05:42 PM

very nice...erich

Dimasalang · 5th May 2011, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy..........

I would of engraved a Triangle.

Along with a sunface, 3 stars, skull and bones, and K.K.K.

And I'd top it off with the initials E.A.

Battara · 5th May 2011, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimasalang

I would of engraved a Triangle.

Along with a sunface, 3 stars, skull and bones, and K.K.K.

And I'd top it off with the initials E.A.

Ah..........................er.................... ....E.A?

Dimasalang · 5th May 2011, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Ah..........................er.................... ....E.A?

Yah, for Emilio Aguinaldo. HAHAHA

DaveA · 6th May 2011, 09:32 PM

For comparison. I bought this about 4 years ago. 14 inches in overall length. Diamond cross-section blade is 9 1/2 inches long with a brass overlay at the ricasso. Brass guard, ferrules, and end cap. The dark hilt is turned kamagong or carabao horn and inlaid with twisted brass wire. The scabbard is leather, in fine condition, with silver mounts.

Battara · 7th May 2011, 05:33 AM

I had a nearly identical one to this years ago but sold it............hmmm............

Battara · 21st June 2011, 01:42 AM

Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano? Compare the blade styles to this one off eBay (it is from Sorsogon, Bicol - southern tip of Luzon):

Robert · 21st June 2011, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano?

For some reason I don't think that your daggers are from Bicol. There is a vague resemblance in blade design but the similarity (to me anyway seems) to end there. BWDIK. Did you by chance end up with this dagger too? I had been watching it but decided to bid on the Minasbad instead and lost track of it. If you did congratulations as it is a great piece and will make a great addition to your collection.

Robert

Battara · 21st June 2011, 11:34 PM

No Robert I did not get this and was just wondering since the blades were similar. I tend to move away from the Bicol attribution for the Tejeros Convention dagger (bottom of picture of the 2). Still don't know, but was just wondering.

2nd May 2011, 09:06 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Katipunan Era Officer's Dagger Greetings! I got this off of ebay and restored the upper brass chape that was missing, and cleaned up the silver. Silver mounts on the hilt and the silver cross guard is in okir form (see below). Also notice that the leather is tooled in plant motif. Also notice the blade - similar in form to the Tejeros Convention dagger. Enjoy! Attached Images

2nd May 2011, 09:20 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Here is the comparison between the Tejeros Convention dagger and the dagger above: Attached Images

2nd May 2011, 11:38 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Thank you folks. Yes Detlef I now have the Tejeros dagger thanks to Robert. Robert, I was bidding on 2 things and this one caught my eye on the blade and the okir quillons (oh and yes I LOVE good silver work ). If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat. But true restoration or repair cuts down on as much guess work as possible. The form of the throat came from the pattern of the bottom chape and the pattern I found on the leather up top. I am tempted to restore the chape with the rest and a brass ball on bottom, but may leave it as it is for now.............. Below is the picture of the original condition. Attached Images

6th May 2011, 09:32 PM	#21
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 413	My Katipunan Dagger For comparison. I bought this about 4 years ago. 14 inches in overall length. Diamond cross-section blade is 9 1/2 inches long with a brass overlay at the ricasso. Brass guard, ferrules, and end cap. The dark hilt is turned kamagong or carabao horn and inlaid with twisted brass wire. The scabbard is leather, in fine condition, with silver mounts.

21st June 2011, 01:42 AM	#23
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano? Compare the blade styles to this one off eBay (it is from Sorsogon, Bicol - southern tip of Luzon): Attached Images

2nd May 2011, 09:16 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jose You did a great job

2nd May 2011, 09:34 PM	#4
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 738	Congratulations!! I bid too in the auction,I think I wasthe second bidder ! But I´m happy to see the dagger was to a new owner fromthe forum, is a very beautiful dagger and your works in restoration is incredible!! thansk for pictures best regards carlos

2nd May 2011, 09:45 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,792	Jose, like usual great work and a very nice addition to your collection! I wonder if the Tejeros Convention dagger now in your collection? Regards, Detlef

2nd May 2011, 09:52 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Jose, I noticed the similarity of the blades when this dagger was first put up for auction and wondered if anyone else would notice it. I am very happy that you were the one who ended up winning it but, if I hadn't just got through spending too much money on bills I would have given you a real run for your money on it. My congratulations to you for scoring this great piece. If you ever decide that you are tired of looking at it send it my way!!! Robert P.S. Great restoration work on the scabbard!!!

3rd May 2011, 02:20 AM	#8
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Very sweet dagger, and great work as always! Steve

3rd May 2011, 05:03 PM	#9
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Beautiful piece! Looks awesome next to the Tejeros dagger. Why can't I ever get this lucky.

3rd May 2011, 05:14 PM	#10
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	It's beautiful! Great work, and a fantastic pair. These are something that I never see over here in Blighty.

3rd May 2011, 11:52 PM	#12
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Well David, only if the triangle was the custom on this particular piece. Since I don't know (it could be earlier) then I won't do anything more. I usually don't like to do more than I would have proof.

4th May 2011, 07:49 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Also I forgot to mention that this was brought back by Captain George A. Campbell of Woburn, Massachusetts who fought in the Philippine-American War. Glad to have at least some of the provenance.

4th May 2011, 05:08 PM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy..........

4th May 2011, 05:38 PM	#16
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,792	Hello Jose, you have done well that you don't add the triangle. Agree complete with you!

4th May 2011, 05:42 PM	#17
eric45 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: usa Posts: 32	very nice...erich

7th May 2011, 05:33 AM	#22
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I had a nearly identical one to this years ago but sold it............hmmm............

21st June 2011, 11:34 PM	#25
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	No Robert I did not get this and was just wondering since the blades were similar. I tend to move away from the Bicol attribution for the Tejeros Convention dagger (bottom of picture of the 2). Still don't know, but was just wondering.