Big sized Indonesian Tombak

Sajen · 12th April 2011, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Nice piece - would be better if you could etch the blade to bring out the pamor.

Hello Jose,

the blade will get an etch and the sheath will be restored. Hope, that the blade have a nice pamor!

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 12th April 2011, 11:24 PM

A nice piece.

You know how much I dislike trying to classify blades from photos, but I think I'm prepared to offer an opinion on this one. Based upon the form of the metuk, form of rondha, and size, I believe this can be classified as Tuban. Tuban blades of all types were very substantial, and the metuk and rondha are much closer to Tuban form than any other.

I would hope that when this has been cleaned and stained we see Tuban material.

Detlef, believe me:- you do not want the blade to have a "nice pamor"; you want it to have a typical Tuban pamor which will be wos wutah or ngulit semongko, rather coarse, heavily veined, and smooth to the touch. If you're real lucky the pamor might be hair-like, and then we can attribute to Mpu Bekeljati.

Sajen · 13th April 2011, 01:11 AM

Hello Alan,

thank you very much for your comment! Have I written that I wish to see a nice pamor after staining? I wish to see a hair-like wos wutah or ngulit semongko!

Now I can't wait to hold it in my hands. That are very good news.

Regards,

Detlef

danny1976 · 16th April 2011, 01:41 PM

Hi detlef,

Very nice and intresting tombak you have .

Can,t wait to see it after cleaning and the stain

Sajen · 16th April 2011, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Hi detlef,

Very nice and intresting tombak you have .

Can,t wait to see it after cleaning and the stain

Hi Danny,

thank you but first I have to wait until I have received it!

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 16th July 2011, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

A nice piece.

You know how much I dislike trying to classify blades from photos, but I think I'm prepared to offer an opinion on this one. Based upon the form of the metuk, form of rondha, and size, I believe this can be classified as Tuban. Tuban blades of all types were very substantial, and the metuk and rondha are much closer to Tuban form than any other.

I would hope that when this has been cleaned and stained we see Tuban material.

Detlef, believe me:- you do not want the blade to have a "nice pamor"; you want it to have a typical Tuban pamor which will be wos wutah or ngulit semongko, rather coarse, heavily veined, and smooth to the touch. If you're real lucky the pamor might be hair-like, and then we can attribute to Mpu Bekeljati.

Hello Alan,

the tombak is stained and it seems that you have been correct, the pamor is like you supposed and the touch is indeed very smooth. What do you think, is it possible that this tombak is from Mpu Bekeljati?

Regards,

Detlef

Indianajones · 17th July 2011, 10:15 AM

Hi Detlef, nice piece also with that scabbard! I am no expert on Indonesian arms but it looks quite appealing. Although I do find it a bit worrying to have removed that wonderfull patine to see the pamor; but thats just me I guess. Did you know that with toothpaste one can clean very graduatly with the keeping of some patine? Congrats w your buy.

Sajen · 17th July 2011, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi Detlef, nice piece also with that scabbard! I am no expert on Indonesian arms but it looks quite appealing. Although I do find it a bit worrying to have removed that wonderfull patine to see the pamor; but thats just me I guess. Did you know that with toothpaste one can clean very graduatly with the keeping of some patine? Congrats w your buy.

Hi Indiana,

thank you, the trick with toothpaste I know but keris and tomak blades need with a very few exceptions a proper stain!

Regards,

Detlef

David · 17th July 2011, 05:32 PM

Detlef, you've just been a staining fool lately...

Another nice job on an nice interesting tombak.
@Indiana....collecting tosan aji weapons tends to follow different rules than many other types of blades. These blades are traditional cleaned and re-stained on a regular basis within the culture they come from and it usually is not considered desirable to maintain and aged patina on the blade surfaces. The pamor patterns are culturally important and meant to be seen, not hidden by years of dirt and wear.

Rick · 18th July 2011, 01:37 AM

I'm looking for a core and I don't see one .

Is this tombak made entirely from pamor material ?
I notice the methuk is integral .

12th April 2011, 11:24 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	A nice piece. You know how much I dislike trying to classify blades from photos, but I think I'm prepared to offer an opinion on this one. Based upon the form of the metuk, form of rondha, and size, I believe this can be classified as Tuban. Tuban blades of all types were very substantial, and the metuk and rondha are much closer to Tuban form than any other. I would hope that when this has been cleaned and stained we see Tuban material. Detlef, believe me:- you do not want the blade to have a "nice pamor"; you want it to have a typical Tuban pamor which will be wos wutah or ngulit semongko, rather coarse, heavily veined, and smooth to the touch. If you're real lucky the pamor might be hair-like, and then we can attribute to Mpu Bekeljati.

13th April 2011, 01:11 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hello Alan, thank you very much for your comment! Have I written that I wish to see a nice pamor after staining? I wish to see a hair-like wos wutah or ngulit semongko! Now I can't wait to hold it in my hands. That are very good news. Regards, Detlef

16th April 2011, 01:41 PM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi detlef, Very nice and intresting tombak you have . Can,t wait to see it after cleaning and the stain

17th July 2011, 10:15 AM	#7
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi Detlef, nice piece also with that scabbard! I am no expert on Indonesian arms but it looks quite appealing. Although I do find it a bit worrying to have removed that wonderfull patine to see the pamor; but thats just me I guess. Did you know that with toothpaste one can clean very graduatly with the keeping of some patine? Congrats w your buy.

17th July 2011, 05:32 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Detlef, you've just been a staining fool lately... Another nice job on an nice interesting tombak. @Indiana....collecting tosan aji weapons tends to follow different rules than many other types of blades. These blades are traditional cleaned and re-stained on a regular basis within the culture they come from and it usually is not considered desirable to maintain and aged patina on the blade surfaces. The pamor patterns are culturally important and meant to be seen, not hidden by years of dirt and wear.

18th July 2011, 01:37 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'm looking for a core and I don't see one . Is this tombak made entirely from pamor material ? I notice the methuk is integral .