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3rd April 2011, 02:15 PM
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Passau wolf mark or other ?
Hi at all,
I m recently study this mark in one of my blade ... but I m not able to find .... it is very similar in passau wolf mark but the moons near ? Ive see a similar mark in Milan, Poldi Pezzoli museum pag. 189 n.inv 475 but olso in this exemple there are not the moons .... any help ? thank you very much Lerry |
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4th April 2011, 12:30 AM
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Hi Lerry,
Glad to have you posting here, and especially look forward to queries on markings. We ask for these to include a photo of the entire weapon so as to have better context. Could you please add that? We'll start looking meanwhile. All the best, Jim |
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4th April 2011, 01:42 AM
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Hi Jim, Yes I can post them .... I ve not photos of this sword now ... I can do tomorrow !
but the sword is a classic crab crown italian sword ... all original and olso a good exemple.For now I post a photo of one exemple in my hand very very similar .... regards lerry |
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4th April 2011, 06:47 PM
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Hi Lerry,
I think this mark has nothing to do with any of the running wolf marks. To me it seems like a stylized flower. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 4th April 2011 at 07:03 PM. |
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4th April 2011, 06:55 PM
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Thank you for posting the pictures of similar sword Lerry.
I agree with Michael, that this is indeed a stylized floral flourish which it seems often were situated next to inscriptions or invocations as well as accenting fuller terminus'. Naturally it has nothing to do with the Passau wolf, which was also stylized but was in actuality a guild associated mark in extreme variations due to chiseling freehand by so many artisans. Do you have "Armi Bianchi Italiene" ? Possibly similar are seen in that. All the best, Jim |
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4th April 2011, 07:58 PM
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Thank you Michael and Jim ....
it can be like your idea .... yes I ve a copy of Armi bianche italiane but I dont see anything of similar this ... Michael / Jim have you seen any stylized flower on other exemple of XVII century sword ? thank you Lerry |
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5th April 2011, 06:48 PM
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Hi Lerry,
Honestly I didn't, otherwise I would have mentioned it. But if anyone did, I bet it's Master Jim.  Best, Michael |
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6th April 2011, 01:34 AM
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 !!!Lerry, like most of these kinds of markings, of course yes I have seen similar over many years, but not that I can specifically recall and I have been looking. As most here are aware, I am the most reluctant of all to consign any deliberate markings to simple aesthetics or motif, but there are going to be times when that it what some are. Depending on what other markings are around or with this, it seems to me likely decorative motif to embellish the terminus of a fuller or such features on a blade. Such embellishments became fashionable along with the artistic stylings of swords, as they were of course status oriented accoutrements far beyond being simply weapons. All the best, Jim |
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