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15th March 2011, 01:30 AM
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I have to admit that I am much surprised to see the down-curved form of the butt as early as the mid-15th c.!!! One never stops learning.  You really made a singular find with this, Alexander! I feel free to attach a re-worked close-up of the scene. Please note the arquebusier on the right aiming his gun left-handed and firing it by holding a glowing piece of tinder against the touch hole on top of the barrel. Matchlocks were not yet common at that period of time. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 15th March 2011 at 02:10 AM. |
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25th April 2013, 07:34 PM
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In August 1848 not only the well known Tannenberg handgonnes were exavated from a water cisterne at Tanneberg Castle (Hesse, Germany) but also an iron ramrod lying near the handgonnes. The find can be securely dated to 1399 when Tannenberg Caste was sieged and destroyed by the City of Frankfurt. The find is publised in J. von Hefner, J. W. Wolf: Die Burg Trannenberg und ihre Ausgrabungen. Schwerberg, Frankfurt 1850 Online. On table VII the ramrod is marked with a "D" and here you can see its dimentsions compared to the handgonne. Till yet I don't know where the ramrod is kept or if it is still survived after the excavations some 160 year ago. The handgonne is kept at Germanisches Nationalmuseum in Nuremberg and I hope so the ramrod too.
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5th October 2013, 04:42 PM
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Splendid, Andi,
Great job - thanks a lot! When your are in Bavaria you should come and see me and my collection. Now how does that sound? Inciting, doesn't it?! Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 5th October 2013 at 06:25 PM. |
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5th October 2013, 10:52 PM
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Hello Matchlock!
Thank you for your offer. Of course it is very inciting and it would a great honour to me. Thank you also for bringing my post to light again, as I gathered some more articles on the Tannenbergbüchse. According to Joachim von Wlassatys article Nachlass der Raubritter - 600 Jahre Tannenbergbüchse in Deutsches Waffen Journal 6/1999 the ramrod was separated (and the loading of the gonne and the rest of the survived tiller were removed from Tannenbergbüchse  ) before the Tannenbergbüchse was transferred to Germanisches Nationalmuseum in Nuremberg. As far as I interpret the article the ramrod (along with other finds) was probably lost during bombardements of Hessisches Landesmuseum Darmstadt in 1944 
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6th October 2013, 08:38 AM
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Hi Andi,
for clod shot, the earliest kind of lead or iron ammunition after gun arrows, please see my threads http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=clod+shot and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=clod+shot On my arguments on dating the Tannenberg barrel correctly (remember that it is not a complete gun as the tiller stock is mssing!), please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=tannenberg http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=tannenberg and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=tannenberg, plus a very similar tiller-stocked bronze gun of ca. 1480, formerly in my collection: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=tiller+bronze Best, Michael |
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6th October 2013, 08:45 AM
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Close-up details of the Tannenberg brass/bronze barrels plus the iron ramrod - enjoy!
m Last edited by Matchlock; 6th October 2013 at 01:02 PM. |
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20th December 2013, 11:57 AM
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gents,
could it be some kind of ramrod ? |
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