Afghan Peshkabz

RobT · 4th July 2005, 06:06 AM

Ian,
I believe the pesh kabz has a fatter grip and as a consequence the hooked pommel is not as pronounced. Stone on pg 494 says pesh kabz means foregrip and shows both straight and recurved pesh kabz blades. I have never seen a recurved choora blade. Stone (pg 338) calls the straight pesh kabz blade a karud. From what I have in my collection, the karud blades vary from looking very much like choora blades to looking like minature Khyber knife blades. I also have a choora hilted piece with a minature Khyber knife style blade. Given this, I wonder if it isn't the hilt that defines the type.
Sincerely,
RobT

Ian · 4th July 2005, 12:16 PM

Thanks Rob.

That makes sense. I have not heard the distinction based on the hilt before -- wonder if others have the same interpretation.

Ian.

Aurangzeb · 5th July 2005, 03:11 AM

Hi all!

After hearing this I whould say that sounds most likely. I never looked at the grip as the defining point before. Instead I spent hours reading and re-reading books and text on te internet as well as studing pictures until 11:00 at night with a head ache!

( my eye docter says I should cut back on my reading! ). Thanks for all the help.

Jens Nordlunde · 5th July 2005, 09:33 PM

What would you call this one?

Lew · 5th July 2005, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

What would you call this one?

I would call it very perdy(pretty)

Maybe a khanjar?

Lew

Aurangzeb · 6th July 2005, 01:07 AM

Hi Jens!

Very nice, I am filled with envy!

I might be wrong but this looks to be a khanjarli dagger from India or some sort of khanjar. Nice gold work on it, is it a wootz blade? Hopefully this chould be of some help.

Maah as-salaama!
(good-bye in arabic)

RobT · 6th July 2005, 03:25 AM

Jens,
I would call it a drop dead gorgeous pesh kabz. That is the most beautiful recurved dagger I have ever seen. It's more deeply recurved than the one on pg 494 of Stone's but the general look is the same.
Lew,
I don't believe it's a khanjar. None of the blades so named in Stone's (pg 353) show a T-rib. On the other hand, I believe khanjar just means knife so there might be T-rib versions.
Aurangzeb,
If Stone is to be believed on pgs 352 and 354, the khanjarli is a double edged recurved dagger with a large lunette pommel.
Sincerely,
RobT

4th July 2005, 06:06 AM	#1
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	Choora vs Pesh Kabz Ian, I believe the pesh kabz has a fatter grip and as a consequence the hooked pommel is not as pronounced. Stone on pg 494 says pesh kabz means foregrip and shows both straight and recurved pesh kabz blades. I have never seen a recurved choora blade. Stone (pg 338) calls the straight pesh kabz blade a karud. From what I have in my collection, the karud blades vary from looking very much like choora blades to looking like minature Khyber knife blades. I also have a choora hilted piece with a minature Khyber knife style blade. Given this, I wonder if it isn't the hilt that defines the type. Sincerely, RobT

5th July 2005, 09:33 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	What would you call this one? Attached Images

6th July 2005, 03:25 AM	#7
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	What a blade Jens, I would call it a drop dead gorgeous pesh kabz. That is the most beautiful recurved dagger I have ever seen. It's more deeply recurved than the one on pg 494 of Stone's but the general look is the same. Lew, I don't believe it's a khanjar. None of the blades so named in Stone's (pg 353) show a T-rib. On the other hand, I believe khanjar just means knife so there might be T-rib versions. Aurangzeb, If Stone is to be believed on pgs 352 and 354, the khanjarli is a double edged recurved dagger with a large lunette pommel. Sincerely, RobT

4th July 2005, 12:16 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,481	Thanks Rob. That makes sense. I have not heard the distinction based on the hilt before -- wonder if others have the same interpretation. Ian.

5th July 2005, 03:11 AM	#3
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi all! After hearing this I whould say that sounds most likely. I never looked at the grip as the defining point before. Instead I spent hours reading and re-reading books and text on te internet as well as studing pictures until 11:00 at night with a head ache! ( my eye docter says I should cut back on my reading! ). Thanks for all the help.

6th July 2005, 01:07 AM	#6
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi Jens! Very nice, I am filled with envy! I might be wrong but this looks to be a khanjarli dagger from India or some sort of khanjar. Nice gold work on it, is it a wootz blade? Hopefully this chould be of some help. Maah as-salaama! (good-bye in arabic)