a javanese hilt.

GIO · 25th February 2011, 04:02 PM

My personal - and humble - opinion is that it could be a hilt made outside Indonesia to replace the original lost. In fact, apart from the missing patra carving, the outlines of the hilt seem rather non-original to me.
In case it could be possible to identify the wood utilized, this could help.

danny1976 · 25th February 2011, 04:34 PM

@ marco,

Yes it could be possible that it was a cheaper version .

@ Gio,

I don,t think so Gio , this keris is brougth to holland in 1951 and since then it was in a box on the attick.

Sajen · 25th February 2011, 07:11 PM

Hi Danny,

here a hilt from a keris which I have in my collection. East Java origin. I have seen some hilts without patras, most of the time from East Java.

Regards,

Detlef

GIO · 26th February 2011, 06:19 PM

@ Gio,

I don,t think so Gio , this keris is brougth to holland in 1951 and since then it was in a box on the attick.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are right. After further examination I recognize some characteristic lines. It could be a cheap solution or a hilt made in a hurry to dress the blade.

A. G. Maisey · 28th February 2011, 07:26 AM

Not all Javanese planar hilts have cecekan.

Hilts made for sandang walikat dress usually do not carry cecekan.

Sometimes a hilt will be made by an owner, and these do not have cecekan.

A keris made by a general carver , especially in an area that is not under karaton influence will usually not have cecekan.

Many reasons for no cecekan.

25th February 2011, 07:11 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hi Danny, here a hilt from a keris which I have in my collection. East Java origin. I have seen some hilts without patras, most of the time from East Java. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

25th February 2011, 04:02 PM	#1
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	My personal - and humble - opinion is that it could be a hilt made outside Indonesia to replace the original lost. In fact, apart from the missing patra carving, the outlines of the hilt seem rather non-original to me. In case it could be possible to identify the wood utilized, this could help.

25th February 2011, 04:34 PM	#2
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	@ marco, Yes it could be possible that it was a cheaper version . @ Gio, I don,t think so Gio , this keris is brougth to holland in 1951 and since then it was in a box on the attick.

26th February 2011, 06:19 PM	#4
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	@ Gio, I don,t think so Gio , this keris is brougth to holland in 1951 and since then it was in a box on the attick.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are right. After further examination I recognize some characteristic lines. It could be a cheap solution or a hilt made in a hurry to dress the blade.

28th February 2011, 07:26 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Not all Javanese planar hilts have cecekan. Hilts made for sandang walikat dress usually do not carry cecekan. Sometimes a hilt will be made by an owner, and these do not have cecekan. A keris made by a general carver , especially in an area that is not under karaton influence will usually not have cecekan. Many reasons for no cecekan.