Bill Spike mystery sword? Farm implement? ID??

kronckew · 22nd February 2011, 05:13 PM

they would definitely make a good hauswehr! (or bauerwehr) i like the curved ones no. 68 & 69 on the beidane reference site.

Bill M · 22nd February 2011, 07:12 PM

Wish we could find out more. Seems to be a specialized piece, made for some particular purpose. Perhaps as someone suggested, it was made to be a weapon that looked like a farm implement.

Titus Pullo · 22nd February 2011, 07:25 PM

It looks like a dangerous weapon. You could really wack someone on the head with it and shatter the skull.... You could probably cut off the limbs and slice open the stomach, too, if it's sharp enough.

Jenny Ida · 25th February 2011, 08:17 PM

Amazing piece! I wannit I wannit I wannit I wannit.

Note the spike is of squarish section like a tang. Squared or rounded spikes are common on sickle type tools, usually at the tip, and I wonder if they are not a sharpening aid, for resting the blade or chunking it into the ground or stump for field sharpening. Others speculate such tips keep the blade from striking hidden rocks and such. A mystery, and compare the pinegas head hunting axe of Luzon with its square0section backspike?......

broadaxe · 4th March 2011, 08:43 PM

The pinky hook mostly exists in Italian implements. Check this massive cleaver - other unusual aspects are the thick forged self bolster, leather disks handle, riveted pommel. I think this thread should be moved to the european forum though.

Billman · 5th March 2011, 06:21 PM

Hi
Yes this one is also Italian - a mannaia (which can be any square bladed billhook or meat cleaver - I guess the usage is also interchangeable).
See http://www.leonelliattrezzi.com/inde...couperet_1.php although generally a pennato is the name for a double bladed billhook, and thus does not include mannaia...
The hand guard and leather handle are also found in tools from Austria and the western parts of Hungary, also parts of Switzerland and Germany... Pre 1900 many of these regions formed the Austro Hungarian Empire, so knowledge and skills moved within the region - ditto edge tool technology....

broadaxe · 15th March 2011, 06:43 PM

Some more Beidanas - roll down:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/657082/post124961703/

4th March 2011, 08:43 PM	#5
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	The pinky hook mostly exists in Italian implements. Check this massive cleaver - other unusual aspects are the thick forged self bolster, leather disks handle, riveted pommel. I think this thread should be moved to the european forum though. Attached Images

22nd February 2011, 05:13 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	they would definitely make a good hauswehr! (or bauerwehr) i like the curved ones no. 68 & 69 on the beidane reference site.

22nd February 2011, 07:12 PM	#2
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Wish we could find out more. Seems to be a specialized piece, made for some particular purpose. Perhaps as someone suggested, it was made to be a weapon that looked like a farm implement.

22nd February 2011, 07:25 PM	#3
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	It looks like a dangerous weapon. You could really wack someone on the head with it and shatter the skull.... You could probably cut off the limbs and slice open the stomach, too, if it's sharp enough.

25th February 2011, 08:17 PM	#4
Jenny Ida Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 12	Amazing piece! I wannit I wannit I wannit I wannit. Note the spike is of squarish section like a tang. Squared or rounded spikes are common on sickle type tools, usually at the tip, and I wonder if they are not a sharpening aid, for resting the blade or chunking it into the ground or stump for field sharpening. Others speculate such tips keep the blade from striking hidden rocks and such. A mystery, and compare the pinegas head hunting axe of Luzon with its square0section backspike?......

5th March 2011, 06:21 PM	#6
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Hi Yes this one is also Italian - a mannaia (which can be any square bladed billhook or meat cleaver - I guess the usage is also interchangeable). See http://www.leonelliattrezzi.com/inde...couperet_1.php although generally a pennato is the name for a double bladed billhook, and thus does not include mannaia... The hand guard and leather handle are also found in tools from Austria and the western parts of Hungary, also parts of Switzerland and Germany... Pre 1900 many of these regions formed the Austro Hungarian Empire, so knowledge and skills moved within the region - ditto edge tool technology....

15th March 2011, 06:43 PM	#7
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Some more Beidanas - roll down: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/657082/post124961703/