Translation help, on Afghan- owned Martini-Henry.

Pukka Bundook · 2nd February 2011, 05:57 AM

Picture I wanted to post here came out as the wrong ones!
Bewitched or something. Will try again soon...

kahnjar1 · 2nd February 2011, 07:08 AM

I assume that this rifle also bears New Zealand marks? If so could you please post these together with overall pics, and I will see if I can turn up some history of it's life here.
Regards Stuart

Pukka Bundook · 2nd February 2011, 02:01 PM

Good morning Stewart,

Thanks for the interest!

I actually got two rifles from a chap stationed over there, ..picked them up in a bazaar.
I will try and get some photos up today.

To be going on with though, both are NZ marked.
#1,
On knox form, front to back;
Broad arrow,
NZ
94
____ (transverse line)
then 277.
On reciever behind knox form;
SX.

Reciever marked LSA Co
1886,
111 (mk 111)
and '1'...for ist class.

The other one has had the original mk 3 markings scrubbed off, and is now marked, Crown, VR, Enfield,
Mk 11 and 1877.
It Is a mk 3,...but been brilliantly re-marked as a mk 11 !!

The knox form markings have also been de-faced, but the broad arrow, NZ, 94 and a faint number,...392? can just be discerned, plus the SX (sold out of service?) marks on reciever.
A picture is worth a thousand words, so I hope to get some taken today!

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Inscription chaps!???

Thanks again,

Richard

RDGAC · 2nd February 2011, 06:23 PM

As I recall, "S. X." stands for "Strengthened Extractor", i.e. fitted with the improved Mk. III extractor which improved cartridge extraction under adverse conditions.

Pukka Bundook · 3rd February 2011, 03:24 AM

RDGAC,

I am sure you are right on this, as both have the mk3 ectractor.
I don't know what I was thinking, as I know the opposed arrows are the sold out of service mark!
Thank you!
BTW, I see you are from York, I wasn't too far from you,...near Ormesby...Middlesbrough area.
Alberta now...
More pics tomorrow, took some & left camera in workshop...

Richard.

kahnjar1 · 3rd February 2011, 04:18 AM

Hi Richard,
you will have to give me pics of those NZ marks, as it is a friend of mine who is the "expert" on these.
Regards Stuart

Pukka Bundook · 3rd February 2011, 02:23 PM

Hi Stuart,

Pics should be up today sometime.

Thanks for your help!
Richard.

2nd February 2011, 07:08 AM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,797	New Zealand you say!! I assume that this rifle also bears New Zealand marks? If so could you please post these together with overall pics, and I will see if I can turn up some history of it's life here. Regards Stuart

2nd February 2011, 05:57 AM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Picture I wanted to post here came out as the wrong ones! Bewitched or something. Will try again soon...

2nd February 2011, 02:01 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Good morning Stewart, Thanks for the interest! I actually got two rifles from a chap stationed over there, ..picked them up in a bazaar. I will try and get some photos up today. To be going on with though, both are NZ marked. #1, On knox form, front to back; Broad arrow, NZ 94 ____ (transverse line) then 277. On reciever behind knox form; SX. Reciever marked LSA Co 1886, 111 (mk 111) and '1'...for ist class. The other one has had the original mk 3 markings scrubbed off, and is now marked, Crown, VR, Enfield, Mk 11 and 1877. It Is a mk 3,...but been brilliantly re-marked as a mk 11 !! The knox form markings have also been de-faced, but the broad arrow, NZ, 94 and a faint number,...392? can just be discerned, plus the SX (sold out of service?) marks on reciever. A picture is worth a thousand words, so I hope to get some taken today! Any help will be greatly appreciated! Inscription chaps!??? Thanks again, Richard

2nd February 2011, 06:23 PM	#4
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	As I recall, "S. X." stands for "Strengthened Extractor", i.e. fitted with the improved Mk. III extractor which improved cartridge extraction under adverse conditions.

3rd February 2011, 03:24 AM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	RDGAC, I am sure you are right on this, as both have the mk3 ectractor. I don't know what I was thinking, as I know the opposed arrows are the sold out of service mark! Thank you! BTW, I see you are from York, I wasn't too far from you,...near Ormesby...Middlesbrough area. Alberta now... More pics tomorrow, took some & left camera in workshop... Richard.

3rd February 2011, 04:18 AM	#6
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,797	Hi Richard, you will have to give me pics of those NZ marks, as it is a friend of mine who is the "expert" on these. Regards Stuart

3rd February 2011, 02:23 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Hi Stuart, Pics should be up today sometime. Thanks for your help! Richard.