SUMATRA TAPAK KUDA HILT FORMS

VVV · 31st January 2011, 03:40 PM

Nice hilts!

The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like

I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man.

Michael

Sajen · 31st January 2011, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Nice hilts!

The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like

I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man.

Michael

I am sure you understand me correct!

VANDOO · 31st January 2011, 05:32 PM

ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

David · 31st January 2011, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

I must say that i'm not particularly fond of the term "executioners" keris because it's pretty misrepresentative of the form. Not the keris panjang were never used in executions, but i do not believe it is the purpose of the form.

BluErf · 1st February 2011, 04:46 AM

I think the long form of the hilt for keris panjang is a matter of aesthetic balance. Given the long batang, it needs to be balanced by a tall hilt. Also, many keris panjang have long peksi, so you'd need a tall hilt to accommodate that.

Hi Michael,

What green hilt? I don't see any green hilt in this post.

GIO · 1st February 2011, 06:19 PM

Some more examples of tapak kuda hilts.
All horn, except one in (I suppose) marine ivory.

VANDOO · 2nd February 2011, 08:51 PM

WITH MY LACK OF KNOWLEGE IN KERIS AND ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM SUMATRA I STARTED THE POST TO INCLUDE ALL FORMS FROM SUMATRA.
THOSE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE SUGGESTED RESTRICTING IT TO THIS ONE FORM. I AGREED WITH THIS AS THE POST MAY HAVE BECOME TOO CUMBERSOME IF EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE LARGE VARITY WITHIN THE FORM.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF EASY REFRENCE LISTING DIFFERENT FORMS SEPARATELY WOULD MAKE THEM MORE EASILY ACCESABLE AS WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THRU EVERYTHING TO FIND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO I HAVE CHANGED THIS POSTS TITLE TO AVOID CONFUSION AND FOCUS ONLY ON THIS FORM. SO A SEARCH FOR TAPAK KUDA SHOULD BRING THIS INFORMATION UP. I AT LEAST HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS POST AS WELL AS THE POST ON BIRD FORMS SO KEEP EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM COMING

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PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA.

1st February 2011, 06:19 PM	#6
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	Some more examples of tapak kuda hilts. All horn, except one in (I suppose) marine ivory. Attached Images

31st January 2011, 03:40 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Nice hilts! The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man. Michael

31st January 2011, 05:32 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

1st February 2011, 04:46 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I think the long form of the hilt for keris panjang is a matter of aesthetic balance. Given the long batang, it needs to be balanced by a tall hilt. Also, many keris panjang have long peksi, so you'd need a tall hilt to accommodate that. Hi Michael, What green hilt? I don't see any green hilt in this post.

2nd February 2011, 08:51 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WITH MY LACK OF KNOWLEGE IN KERIS AND ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM SUMATRA I STARTED THE POST TO INCLUDE ALL FORMS FROM SUMATRA. THOSE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE SUGGESTED RESTRICTING IT TO THIS ONE FORM. I AGREED WITH THIS AS THE POST MAY HAVE BECOME TOO CUMBERSOME IF EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE LARGE VARITY WITHIN THE FORM. SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF EASY REFRENCE LISTING DIFFERENT FORMS SEPARATELY WOULD MAKE THEM MORE EASILY ACCESABLE AS WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THRU EVERYTHING TO FIND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO I HAVE CHANGED THIS POSTS TITLE TO AVOID CONFUSION AND FOCUS ONLY ON THIS FORM. SO A SEARCH FOR TAPAK KUDA SHOULD BRING THIS INFORMATION UP. I AT LEAST HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS POST AS WELL AS THE POST ON BIRD FORMS SO KEEP EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM COMING . PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA.