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25th January 2011, 11:07 PM
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I don't think the other "trunk" was made later, but with all the evidence shown so far I am convinced it is not Moro but Indonesian or Malay. I also agree that it is a shame that it is missing the scabbard.
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25th January 2011, 11:28 PM
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Another doea-benggol's worth .....
Hullo everybody!
 To me, it appears to be a Soendang. However, I tend to place it as being from northern Kalimantan. Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 26th January 2011 at 12:10 AM. |
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26th January 2011, 12:15 AM
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Hello Amuk, If you are right on its place of origin, what would the scabbard have looked like?
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26th January 2011, 05:43 AM
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It's difficult to be objective, but I would be more inclined for the sheath to be of psuedo-Riau/Boegis type using any combination of wood, ivory and silver. It would not surprise me if the whole cross-piece were of ivory matching the pommel and the rest of the sheath either partially or totally covered in silverwork (blackened or not). ..... BTW ..... I have seen one Soendang in Kelantan with a similar-looking blade (only one trunk though). I was led to believe that what looked like a twist-core along the centre of the blade was actually a damascene pattern. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to inspect it closer. Apparently, the blade was referred to as 'Mata Djawa'. Anyway, it was a beautiful piece! Best, |
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26th January 2011, 05:53 AM
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Hello Amuk and thank you for your thoughts on the possible scabbard design. As far as the one that you saw in Kelantan were you lucky enough to have gotten pictures of it ? Again my thanks.
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26th January 2011, 11:14 PM
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Sorry. I tried looking for it, but it's hiding in my system somewhere. It'll probably pop up when I'm looking for something else. I obviously hadn't catalogued it as I hadn't deemed it a priority at the time (just a curio). From what I recall (barring a 'senior moment' ), the damascene pattern was similar to a 'pamor bulu ayam' but not quite. It resembled more a double twist-core (more a series of compressed folding waves rather than a series of lines). I took a second look after I learnt that it wasn't twist-core. I couldn't examine it any closer, as it was 'out of reach'.Best, |
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25th January 2012, 05:13 AM
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Just bumping this up to see if anyone has any more info about this beautiful msytery piece.
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26th January 2011, 08:10 AM
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But the rule for me is: original scabbard/similar antique scabbard, or no scabbard. I never missed the scabbard as display on a socket as it is now standing in our livingroom. The twistcore blade is a better eyecatcher as a wooden scabbard....  Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 26th January 2011 at 11:21 PM. |
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