'gold hurap' in buda kris ?

dewaruci · 12th January 2011, 04:57 PM

hello all,
a few months ago, I bought a budha kris in dirty conditions (probably from the Singosari era), 'dapur' kris is mundarang, with square 'pesi', after I cleaned several times with sewing machine oil, looks delicate gold grains in almost every bar . whether this so-called 'gold hurap'. I expect an opinion from the forum.
thank you all ...

Rick · 12th January 2011, 06:57 PM

We'll need a picture, close-ups, etc.

David · 12th January 2011, 08:06 PM

Yep, can't tell much without being able to at least see it...

Please inquire if you have any questions on how to post photos to the forum...

dewaruci · 13th January 2011, 02:28 AM

sorry I just joined, thank you for your attention david ...

A. G. Maisey · 13th January 2011, 02:29 AM

I'm sorry, but I cannot be certain of anything from these fotos.

To form an opinion I would need to examine physically with magnification at least.

I have seen a similar effect when I have used industrial quality arsenic on a blade.

I am not suggesting that this has been used here, but the colour of iron can vary depending upon many factors, one of those factors is uncontolled impurities in substances which come into contact with the blade material.

Battara · 13th January 2011, 03:22 AM

Square pesi - is that common for this period?

Makes me wonder if this is the origin of the square pesi in Moro kris.......

David · 13th January 2011, 05:31 AM

May i inquire what makes this a keris buda. This is not any blade profile that i recognize as keris buda.

dewaruci · 14th January 2011, 02:04 PM

there is an opinion that the Javanese kris in Singosari era and earlier uses a square-shaped Pesi, because most of the keris buda is using has a square Pesi. I think I agree with this.
to profile keris buda, I saw in a 'pamor' magazine, published in Indonesia in its first edition in 2006, I see there are already some form of dapur in there, so I thought maybe it could be like that.

David · 14th January 2011, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewaruci

there is an opinion that the Javanese kris in Singosari era and earlier uses a square-shaped Pesi, because most of the keris buda is using has a square Pesi. I think I agree with this.
to profile keris buda, I saw in a 'pamor' magazine, published in Indonesia in its first edition in 2006, I see there are already some form of dapur in there, so I thought maybe it could be like that.

AFAIK keris buda is not determined by the shape of the pesi, but by the broad shaped dhapur that is commonly associated with it. If i am wrong about this i hope to be corrected...

dewaruci · 20th January 2011, 12:15 PM

I agree with that and I will not be corrected david, it's just I think if square shape 'pesi' found in many Singosari era or earlier.
thanks for all the explanation and knowledge sharing

thanks all ...

GIO · 25th January 2011, 07:02 PM

In my VERY HUMBLE opinion this is not a keris buda

kai · 27th January 2011, 08:52 AM

I second that.

BTW, the gonjo got attached with glue and I'm fairly confident that it is not original and a recently made replacement.

I also doubt the pesi - looks like some welding has been done to elongate it? Looks more like poor workmanship than a corroded rectangular pesi IMVHO but this is just guessing from pics. Could you please have a look under magnification?

Regards,
Kai

12th January 2011, 04:57 PM	#1
dewaruci Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Central Java Posts: 13	'gold hurap' in buda kris ? hello all, a few months ago, I bought a budha kris in dirty conditions (probably from the Singosari era), 'dapur' kris is mundarang, with square 'pesi', after I cleaned several times with sewing machine oil, looks delicate gold grains in almost every bar . whether this so-called 'gold hurap'. I expect an opinion from the forum. thank you all ... Attached Images Last edited by dewaruci; 13th January 2011 at 02:21 AM.

14th January 2011, 02:04 PM	#8
dewaruci Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Central Java Posts: 13	there is an opinion that the Javanese kris in Singosari era and earlier uses a square-shaped Pesi, because most of the keris buda is using has a square Pesi. I think I agree with this. to profile keris buda, I saw in a 'pamor' magazine, published in Indonesia in its first edition in 2006, I see there are already some form of dapur in there, so I thought maybe it could be like that. Attached Images

12th January 2011, 06:57 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	We'll need a picture, close-ups, etc.

12th January 2011, 08:06 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,200	Yep, can't tell much without being able to at least see it... Please inquire if you have any questions on how to post photos to the forum...

13th January 2011, 02:28 AM	#4
dewaruci Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Central Java Posts: 13	sorry I just joined, thank you for your attention david ...

13th January 2011, 02:29 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,965	I'm sorry, but I cannot be certain of anything from these fotos. To form an opinion I would need to examine physically with magnification at least. I have seen a similar effect when I have used industrial quality arsenic on a blade. I am not suggesting that this has been used here, but the colour of iron can vary depending upon many factors, one of those factors is uncontolled impurities in substances which come into contact with the blade material.

13th January 2011, 03:22 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Square pesi - is that common for this period? Makes me wonder if this is the origin of the square pesi in Moro kris.......

13th January 2011, 05:31 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,200	May i inquire what makes this a keris buda. This is not any blade profile that i recognize as keris buda.

20th January 2011, 12:15 PM	#10
dewaruci Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Central Java Posts: 13	I agree with that and I will not be corrected david, it's just I think if square shape 'pesi' found in many Singosari era or earlier. thanks for all the explanation and knowledge sharing thanks all ...

25th January 2011, 07:02 PM	#11
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	In my VERY HUMBLE opinion this is not a keris buda

27th January 2011, 08:52 AM	#12
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I second that. BTW, the gonjo got attached with glue and I'm fairly confident that it is not original and a recently made replacement. I also doubt the pesi - looks like some welding has been done to elongate it? Looks more like poor workmanship than a corroded rectangular pesi IMVHO but this is just guessing from pics. Could you please have a look under magnification? Regards, Kai