Taming Sari???

Neo · 6th January 2011, 03:27 PM

Sorry Boss, my bad

I've visited that Wiki page many times over but always quickly scanned that laksamana part without ever arriving at the conclusion "oh, the Sultanate did not have it until then".
DOH!

David · 6th January 2011, 06:42 PM

Now keep in mind that the Wiki article itself lacks any citation of source, so who is to say where the write got their information...

A. G. Maisey · 7th January 2011, 03:28 AM

This comment is not directly targetted at the keris under discussion, but is more in the nature of a general comment on the authenticity of all keris & etc claimed as pusaka.

I suggest a detailed and attentive reading of both Weiner and Ricklefs.

David · 7th January 2011, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I suggest a detailed and attentive reading of both Weiner and Ricklefs.

Good advice indeed. Can you tell us if there is any particular book of M.C. Ricklefs' that you recommend first as he has written extensively on the area?

A. G. Maisey · 8th January 2011, 04:32 AM

David, I am not at home, and cannot give you correct titles and reference data, however, a good place to start might be a paper that Ricklefs wrote:

The Missing Pusakas of Kartosuro

you will probably have to go to interlibrary loan from a university to get hold of it.

There is a lot of reference to this matter, but it mostly involves reading extensive quantities of pretty boring matter for a few words, and then reading between the lines and going to that book's writer's references. There is no easy route--- well, not that I know of anyway.

There's a good book Ricklefs wrote that gives some interesting insights too, forget the correct title, but its something like Economy,Culture, War, Java 167something to 172something

drdavid · 26th February 2011, 10:05 AM

War, Culture and Economy in Java, 1677-1726: Asian and European Imperialism in the Early Kartasura Period (Southeast Asia Publications Series) by M. C. Ricklefs (Apr 1993)

David · 26th February 2011, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drdavid

War, Culture and Economy in Java, 1677-1726: Asian and European Imperialism in the Early Kartasura Period (Southeast Asia Publications Series) by M. C. Ricklefs (Apr 1993)

Thanks Dr. D, i already had my sights on that book...

6th January 2011, 03:27 PM	#1
Neo Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 59	Sorry Boss, my bad I've visited that Wiki page many times over but always quickly scanned that laksamana part without ever arriving at the conclusion "oh, the Sultanate did not have it until then". DOH!

6th January 2011, 06:42 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Now keep in mind that the Wiki article itself lacks any citation of source, so who is to say where the write got their information...

7th January 2011, 03:28 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	This comment is not directly targetted at the keris under discussion, but is more in the nature of a general comment on the authenticity of all keris & etc claimed as pusaka. I suggest a detailed and attentive reading of both Weiner and Ricklefs.

8th January 2011, 04:32 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	David, I am not at home, and cannot give you correct titles and reference data, however, a good place to start might be a paper that Ricklefs wrote: The Missing Pusakas of Kartosuro you will probably have to go to interlibrary loan from a university to get hold of it. There is a lot of reference to this matter, but it mostly involves reading extensive quantities of pretty boring matter for a few words, and then reading between the lines and going to that book's writer's references. There is no easy route--- well, not that I know of anyway. There's a good book Ricklefs wrote that gives some interesting insights too, forget the correct title, but its something like Economy,Culture, War, Java 167something to 172something

26th February 2011, 10:05 AM	#6
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	War, Culture and Economy in Java, 1677-1726: Asian and European Imperialism in the Early Kartasura Period (Southeast Asia Publications Series) by M. C. Ricklefs (Apr 1993)