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[Robert]

Migueldiaz, Great sword, thank you for posting the pictures for comparison. Do you think that there could possibly have been a wooden throat piece on the scabbard right above the leather piece (similar to the one on my example) that is now missing ? Is this tenegre yours now or is it still in Eric's collection?

Robert

[Robert]

Kino, Here is a picture of the D-guard bolo I mentioned earlier with the tenegre to show the similarity in blade profile. The blade on the bolo is quite a bit heavier but it has the same false edge that the tenegre has but unlike the tenegre it is not chisel ground. Unfortunately the tip on the bolo's blade had suffered some damage at some point in time and was slightly re profiled when repaired. I am also hoping to get a little more background on the bolo so any comments or information on it would be greatly appreciated.

Robert

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Migueldiaz, Great sword, thank you for posting the pictures for comparison. Do you think that there could possibly have been a wooden throat piece on the scabbard right above the leather piece (similar to the one on my example) that is now missing ? Is this tenegre yours now or is it still in Eric's collection?

hi, robert. the sword is now with me. i'll take a look later on whether a 'throat' piece used to be there. regards.

[Robert]

hi, robert. the sword is now with me. i'll take a look later on whether a 'throat' piece used to be there. regards.

Migueldiaz, That's great, a very nice addition to your collection. I'm not sure if 'throat piece' is the correct terminology/name for this section of the scabbard, or if it even has one, but if you by chance know what the correct name for this section is could you please post it? The only other scabbard that I have seen so far that is even similar is located here http://www.filhistory.com/2010/07/su...tenegre-1.html on one of your web pages. Would you also tell me what your thoughts are on the above bolo? Here is a link to the original thread on it. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=funston Thank you for your help.

Robert

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Migueldiaz, That's great, a very nice addition to your collection. I'm not sure if 'throat piece' is the correct terminology/name for this section of the scabbard, or if it even has one, but if you by chance know what the correct name for this section is could you please post it? The only other scabbard that I have seen so far that is even similar is located here http://www.filhistory.com/2010/07/su...tenegre-1.html on one of your web pages. Would you also tell me what your thoughts are on the above bolo? Here is a link to the original thread on it. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=funston Thank you for your help.

thanks, robert.

i don't know the local name of the leather 'throat' or collar. but in the online hiligaynon 1934 dictionary (hiligaynon is one of the dialects in panay island, from where the swords are), we find this entry:

panílo, (Sp. pañuelo) Cloth, cloth-band, collar, neckcloth; the strip of cloth or leather used for fastening the sheath of a bolo to the hip. (cf. balióg; pányo)

thus, panilo (pronounced pah-NEH-lo) can refer to anything that wraps around something. for now perhaps, we can use panilo to refer to that leather 'throat' or collar. nacho or reichsritter can confirm (and for sure later, we'll have the opportunity again to double-check with local smiths).

talking about that online dictionary, here are the other terms:

binángon, The Philippine long knife carried in a scabbard on the hip by workmen. The scabbard or case is called "tagúb" (cf. bólo, pinútì, siántong, sandúkò, ginúnting, talibóng, kális, súndang, uták).

dága, (Sp. daga) Dagger, poniard, stiletto. (cf. íwà, súndang, pinútì).

espáda, (Sp. espada) Sword, sabre, falchion, scimitar, brand, rapier, side-arm. (cf. binángon, talibúng, sandúkò, ginúnting, kális).

garanás, Knife, especially one used for cutting meshes, repairing nets, etc. (cf. urutúp, galanás, súndang, kotsílyo, lansítas).

ginúnting, A kind of war-knife, large bolo. (cf. siántong, sandúkò, binángon, íwà).

íwà, Dagger; poniard, dirk, knife. (cf. dága, binángon, talibóng, sandúkò, ginúnting, kotsílyo, súndang, garanás, urutúp, lansétas).

kális, (Sp. cris) The Malayan dagger, creese or cris, a sword as used by the Moros.

kampílan, A large, long kind of sword; hanger, cutlass.

kotsílyo, (Sp. cochillo) Knife, table-knife. (cf. súndang).

lansétas, (Sp. lanceta) Lancet, fleam, a farrier's sharp knife used in phlebotomy; a pocket-knife.

pinútì, Knife, bolo, any cutting tool made of steel. (cf. putî).

sáble, (Sp. sable) Sabre, sword. (cf. súndang, binángon, talibóng, etc.).

sandúkò, A kind of long bolo with a curved point. (cf. ginúnting).

siántong, A kind of bolo, but straight and longer than the ordinary binángon and having the point slightly curved. (cf. sandúkò).

súndang, Knife, kitchen-knife, a small stiff knife, dagger, sword, table-knife. (cf. tulóslok—fork; irós—spoon; garanás, urutóp, lansítas, kotsílyo, binángon, íwa, etc.).

tagúb, Sheath, scabbard, case; to sheathe, put into a scabbard, provide or make a scabbard. Itagúb ang ímo espáda. Sheathe your sword. Tágbi (Tagubí) ang ímo binángon. Provide a scabbard for your bolo.

talibóng, A large, heavy bolo. (cf. sandúkò, siántong, binángon).

urutúp, (B) A knife, anything with a sharp edge for cutting, as a piece of sharp stone, bone, tin, wood, bamboo, etc. (cf. súndang, garanás; ótop).

uták, Knife, bolo. See binángon.

the downloadable version of the dictionary is here. it's better to have the download version, as one can search there using english terms.

more field research needs to be done to match the blade shapes, vis-a-vis the terms above. it will also be noted that tenegre (tinigre) is not an entry in the dictionary. but for a fact, the term is being used in panay. again more research is needed on the origin of that word.

another noteworthy local linguistic variation is the definition of sundang in panay. elsewhere (northern philippines [luzon] and south. phils. [mindanao]), a sundang is a large blade. a kris in mindanao for instance is also called a sundang. but in panay, a sundang is a mere kitchen knife!

[migueldiaz]

robert, here's a pic of the scabbard with the leather panilo lowered down. perhaps there used to be something that's attached on that upper part of the scabbard because a pinhole can be seen (and said hole is also on the other side). the panilo seemed to have been altered also.

on mode of construction of the scabbard here, it makes use of dowels, where the 'crown' of the scabbard slides into (see pics below).

finally, on the sword with the d-guard, i don't have anything to add that you already know (i.e., it's a luzon sword, given the peened tang and the non-chisel ground profile of the blade).

incidentally, i might be in the u.s. sometime august 2011. can i go to your place to see your collection?

[Robert]

Migueldiaz, Thank you so much for the dictionary and the detailed pictures of how the "crown" is mounted. As far as you coming by to view my collection and visit I would be more than honored. Just let me know a couple of weeks in advance as my wife does not like surprises. Again my thanks.

Robert

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Migueldiaz, Thank you so much for the dictionary and the detailed pictures of how the "crown" is mounted. As far as you coming by to view my collection and visit I would be more than honored. Just let me know a couple of weeks in advance as my wife does not like surprises. Again my thanks.

Robert

hello, robert. many thanks! the pleasure is mine actually

will give you the heads-up. we definitely do not want to surprise anybody especially if within her easy reach is an arsenal of sharp pointy things

p.s. - by the way, as kino mentioned, kamagong is the wood used for the scabbard of your sword. kamagong is arguably the rolls royce of our local hardwood.