Something New

[kino]

Good job on cleaning up the piece. What a beautiful blade profile.
Did you wax the scabbard? I love the color of the kamagong, Congrats.

[Ferguson]

Beautiful piece and nice job so far! A very worthy project.
Steve

[Robert]

Hello Kino, yes I used Ren wax on the wood of the scabbard after a good cleaning with Murphy's oil soap. The wood actually looks even better in person than it does in the pictures and is extremely hard and heavy for its size. One would think that after all the pictures that I have taken over the years that I could do a better job of it than what I do.
The blade profile was one of the first things that caught my attention when I first found this. I have a bolo with a D-guard that has a blade profile almost identical (only larger) to the one on this tenegre.

Steve, thank you so much for your encouragement. I just hope that I am up to its successful completion.

Again, I would like to thank you both for your kind comments.

Robert

[migueldiaz]

battara, thanks.

robert, here are two pics from erik farrow once again. the metal hoops on the scabbard are aluminum. thanks.

[Robert]

Migueldiaz, Great sword, thank you for posting the pictures for comparison. Do you think that there could possibly have been a wooden throat piece on the scabbard right above the leather piece (similar to the one on my example) that is now missing ? Is this tenegre yours now or is it still in Eric's collection?

Robert

[Robert]

Kino, Here is a picture of the D-guard bolo I mentioned earlier with the tenegre to show the similarity in blade profile. The blade on the bolo is quite a bit heavier but it has the same false edge that the tenegre has but unlike the tenegre it is not chisel ground. Unfortunately the tip on the bolo's blade had suffered some damage at some point in time and was slightly re profiled when repaired. I am also hoping to get a little more background on the bolo so any comments or information on it would be greatly appreciated.

Robert

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Migueldiaz, Great sword, thank you for posting the pictures for comparison. Do you think that there could possibly have been a wooden throat piece on the scabbard right above the leather piece (similar to the one on my example) that is now missing ? Is this tenegre yours now or is it still in Eric's collection?

hi, robert. the sword is now with me. i'll take a look later on whether a 'throat' piece used to be there. regards.

[Robert]

hi, robert. the sword is now with me. i'll take a look later on whether a 'throat' piece used to be there. regards.

Migueldiaz, That's great, a very nice addition to your collection. I'm not sure if 'throat piece' is the correct terminology/name for this section of the scabbard, or if it even has one, but if you by chance know what the correct name for this section is could you please post it? The only other scabbard that I have seen so far that is even similar is located here http://www.filhistory.com/2010/07/su...tenegre-1.html on one of your web pages. Would you also tell me what your thoughts are on the above bolo? Here is a link to the original thread on it. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=funston Thank you for your help.

Robert

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Migueldiaz, That's great, a very nice addition to your collection. I'm not sure if 'throat piece' is the correct terminology/name for this section of the scabbard, or if it even has one, but if you by chance know what the correct name for this section is could you please post it? The only other scabbard that I have seen so far that is even similar is located here http://www.filhistory.com/2010/07/su...tenegre-1.html on one of your web pages. Would you also tell me what your thoughts are on the above bolo? Here is a link to the original thread on it. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=funston Thank you for your help.

thanks, robert.

i don't know the local name of the leather 'throat' or collar. but in the online hiligaynon 1934 dictionary (hiligaynon is one of the dialects in panay island, from where the swords are), we find this entry:

panílo, (Sp. pañuelo) Cloth, cloth-band, collar, neckcloth; the strip of cloth or leather used for fastening the sheath of a bolo to the hip. (cf. balióg; pányo)

thus, panilo (pronounced pah-NEH-lo) can refer to anything that wraps around something. for now perhaps, we can use panilo to refer to that leather 'throat' or collar. nacho or reichsritter can confirm (and for sure later, we'll have the opportunity again to double-check with local smiths).

talking about that online dictionary, here are the other terms:

binángon, The Philippine long knife carried in a scabbard on the hip by workmen. The scabbard or case is called "tagúb" (cf. bólo, pinútì, siántong, sandúkò, ginúnting, talibóng, kális, súndang, uták).

dága, (Sp. daga) Dagger, poniard, stiletto. (cf. íwà, súndang, pinútì).

espáda, (Sp. espada) Sword, sabre, falchion, scimitar, brand, rapier, side-arm. (cf. binángon, talibúng, sandúkò, ginúnting, kális).

garanás, Knife, especially one used for cutting meshes, repairing nets, etc. (cf. urutúp, galanás, súndang, kotsílyo, lansítas).

ginúnting, A kind of war-knife, large bolo. (cf. siántong, sandúkò, binángon, íwà).

íwà, Dagger; poniard, dirk, knife. (cf. dága, binángon, talibóng, sandúkò, ginúnting, kotsílyo, súndang, garanás, urutúp, lansétas).

kális, (Sp. cris) The Malayan dagger, creese or cris, a sword as used by the Moros.

kampílan, A large, long kind of sword; hanger, cutlass.

kotsílyo, (Sp. cochillo) Knife, table-knife. (cf. súndang).

lansétas, (Sp. lanceta) Lancet, fleam, a farrier's sharp knife used in phlebotomy; a pocket-knife.

pinútì, Knife, bolo, any cutting tool made of steel. (cf. putî).

sáble, (Sp. sable) Sabre, sword. (cf. súndang, binángon, talibóng, etc.).

sandúkò, A kind of long bolo with a curved point. (cf. ginúnting).

siántong, A kind of bolo, but straight and longer than the ordinary binángon and having the point slightly curved. (cf. sandúkò).

súndang, Knife, kitchen-knife, a small stiff knife, dagger, sword, table-knife. (cf. tulóslok—fork; irós—spoon; garanás, urutóp, lansítas, kotsílyo, binángon, íwa, etc.).

tagúb, Sheath, scabbard, case; to sheathe, put into a scabbard, provide or make a scabbard. Itagúb ang ímo espáda. Sheathe your sword. Tágbi (Tagubí) ang ímo binángon. Provide a scabbard for your bolo.

talibóng, A large, heavy bolo. (cf. sandúkò, siántong, binángon).

urutúp, (B) A knife, anything with a sharp edge for cutting, as a piece of sharp stone, bone, tin, wood, bamboo, etc. (cf. súndang, garanás; ótop).

uták, Knife, bolo. See binángon.

the downloadable version of the dictionary is here. it's better to have the download version, as one can search there using english terms.

more field research needs to be done to match the blade shapes, vis-a-vis the terms above. it will also be noted that tenegre (tinigre) is not an entry in the dictionary. but for a fact, the term is being used in panay. again more research is needed on the origin of that word.

another noteworthy local linguistic variation is the definition of sundang in panay. elsewhere (northern philippines [luzon] and south. phils. [mindanao]), a sundang is a large blade. a kris in mindanao for instance is also called a sundang. but in panay, a sundang is a mere kitchen knife!