Square Line pattern Ilang

asomotif · 14th December 2010, 11:53 AM

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I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions?

I was thinking of balinese offering knives / betelnutcutters
They have line work inlays. Not the same. but that is the closest link I can think of.

Gustav · 14th December 2010, 12:53 PM

Maybe is the square pattern an imitation on a plaiting pattern? These have been imitated on earthware, and I recall, in Solyoms Keris book there is a depiction of javanese pendoks with a plaited motif. Was it called "burning incense" on Java and have a protective meaning? I don't have this book, so I am not 100% sure.

VVV · 16th December 2010, 10:36 AM

Thanks Gustav and Willem,

I just checked Solyom. It's described on page 58 and you remember correctly.
It seems like a probable clue to this motif.

Michael

VANDOO · 17th December 2010, 07:04 AM

THE DRAGON HANDLE ASOMOTIF POSTED COULD BE THE ASO (DOG DRAGON) IT IS AN OLD DESIGN OFTEN SEEN REPRESENTED IN MANY FORMS. THIS PICTURE OF SOME OLD EXAMPLES THE HEADS RESEMBLE THE MANDAU HILT. THE DESIGN COULD STILL BE INFLUENCED BY THE CHINESE AS THEY HAVE TRADED IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME.
THESE TWO CARVINGS ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE KENYAH/ KAYAN GROUPS.

Gustav · 22nd February 2011, 09:59 PM

Michael, take a look at this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10847!

Both patterns on one blade! I think now, it's clearly protective.

Maurice · 23rd February 2011, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Michael, take a look at this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10847!

Both patterns on one blade! I think now, it's clearly protective.

That's for sure the most interesting klewang from the Banjarmasin area.
But also it's coming from a complete different part as the mandau Michael posted.

KuKulzA28 · 23rd February 2011, 03:35 AM

the traditional craftsmanship of Borneo never ceased to amaze me... I really like that parang.

17th December 2010, 07:04 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE DRAGON HANDLE ASOMOTIF POSTED COULD BE THE ASO (DOG DRAGON) IT IS AN OLD DESIGN OFTEN SEEN REPRESENTED IN MANY FORMS. THIS PICTURE OF SOME OLD EXAMPLES THE HEADS RESEMBLE THE MANDAU HILT. THE DESIGN COULD STILL BE INFLUENCED BY THE CHINESE AS THEY HAVE TRADED IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME. THESE TWO CARVINGS ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE KENYAH/ KAYAN GROUPS. Attached Images

14th December 2010, 12:53 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Maybe is the square pattern an imitation on a plaiting pattern? These have been imitated on earthware, and I recall, in Solyoms Keris book there is a depiction of javanese pendoks with a plaited motif. Was it called "burning incense" on Java and have a protective meaning? I don't have this book, so I am not 100% sure.

16th December 2010, 10:36 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Gustav and Willem, I just checked Solyom. It's described on page 58 and you remember correctly. It seems like a probable clue to this motif. Michael

22nd February 2011, 09:59 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Michael, take a look at this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10847! Both patterns on one blade! I think now, it's clearly protective.

23rd February 2011, 03:35 AM	#7
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	the traditional craftsmanship of Borneo never ceased to amaze me... I really like that parang.