Breech loading 1450-1550

Spiridonov · 1st December 2010, 04:38 PM

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Matchlock · 2nd December 2010, 01:36 AM

Perfectly right, Alexander,

Your input clearly confirms the theory I formlerly posted stating that all contemporary works of arts and crafts unanimously reflected the style common to the respective period - in short: Gothic gun barrels generally looked like contemporary architectural towers and columns!

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 3rd December 2011, 12:11 AM

A wrought-iron breech-loading ship cannon, ca. 1480-1500.

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Matchlock · 3rd December 2011, 12:18 AM

Two Portuguese bronze breech-loading cannon pieces, early 16th c. each, and obviously two from a series.

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VANDOO · 3rd December 2011, 05:02 AM

HERE ARE A FEW MORE PICTURES, HOPEFULLY NOT POSTED ALREADY., TWO PICTURES OF A OLD PRINT. AND DRAWING SHOWING LOAD FOR GUN.

Matchlock · 3rd December 2011, 05:55 PM

Hi Vandoo,

Thank you so much for this period artwork. Although the illustration posted by you is from the 18th c. it shows that the breech-loading guns of the time were only barely more evolved compared to those of 300 years ago.

Best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 6th July 2013, 07:32 PM

Bolek Maciaszczyk is making this very neat and rare self spanning wheel lock.
It is most likely the first of its kind with a ton of research, tweaking and days without sleep.
The first film about this lock is finnaly here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cchjjwXuVdQ

you can find the barrel here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FajYgHQI8aA

Bolek thanks everyone that has helped him with his research and the comments.

(Bolek forgot his pasword so i am posting this on his behalf)

Marcus den toom · 20th July 2013, 06:20 PM

The lock working, made by Bolek Maciaszczyk!!!

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search.php?

The system works perfect, it is strong and makes a lot of sparks and guarentees to set of your main charge with eas

fernando · 3rd December 2011, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Two Portuguese bronze breech-loading cannon pieces, early 16th c. each, and obviously two from a series.

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Sure they are Portuguese, Michl ?
I have found that the attribution of Portuguese'ship to some types of bronze canonry must be an added value, judging by how they baptize numberless examples in Commercial websites

Matchlock · 3rd December 2011, 06:21 PM

Hi 'Nando,

I just adopted the assignment given by the auction house; of course I am not certain about their actual provenance. Your input is all the more valuable in this context.

Anyway, my opinion, though usually as well based as possible and backed up by more than 30 years of experience, is far from claiming to be a rule. I realize there are people out there who are able to add amendments. I only wish they would do that after all! All I've been hoping for when starting this has been a lively discussion!

Still hoping for the best,
Michl

broadaxe · 4th December 2011, 08:47 AM

Regarding the staff in Spiridonov's posts # 85-86: cannons may well reflect architecture of the period, but the staff - a.k.a. "pilgrim's staff" - is actually a weapon of its own with the ball forming a pommel and a handgaurd. The size is about the same as two-handed sword and deployment is a simplified version of fencing (no edge alignment, no trapping with the guard).

Attached is another publication photo from 1978 of a different breech loader from the coast of Israel, bronze barrel with iron breech. The second photo shows the same cannon today (bottom), with another one made of iron.

1st December 2010, 04:38 PM	#1
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	else Attached Images Last edited by Spiridonov; 1st December 2010 at 04:48 PM.

3rd December 2011, 12:11 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A wrought-iron breech-loading ship cannon, ca. 1480-1500. m Attached Images

3rd December 2011, 12:18 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two Portuguese bronze breech-loading cannon pieces, early 16th c. each, and obviously two from a series. m Attached Images

3rd December 2011, 05:02 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE A FEW MORE PICTURES, HOPEFULLY NOT POSTED ALREADY., TWO PICTURES OF A OLD PRINT. AND DRAWING SHOWING LOAD FOR GUN. Attached Images

3rd December 2011, 06:21 PM	#10
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi 'Nando, I just adopted the assignment given by the auction house; of course I am not certain about their actual provenance. Your input is all the more valuable in this context. Anyway, my opinion, though usually as well based as possible and backed up by more than 30 years of experience, is far from claiming to be a rule. I realize there are people out there who are able to add amendments. I only wish they would do that after all! All I've been hoping for when starting this has been a lively discussion! Still hoping for the best, Michl Last edited by Matchlock; 4th December 2011 at 01:05 AM.

2nd December 2010, 01:36 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Perfectly right, Alexander, Your input clearly confirms the theory I formlerly posted stating that all contemporary works of arts and crafts unanimously reflected the style common to the respective period - in short: Gothic gun barrels generally looked like contemporary architectural towers and columns! Best, Michael

3rd December 2011, 05:55 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Vandoo, Thank you so much for this period artwork. Although the illustration posted by you is from the 18th c. it shows that the breech-loading guns of the time were only barely more evolved compared to those of 300 years ago. Best, Michael

6th July 2013, 07:32 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Bolek Maciaszczyk is making this very neat and rare self spanning wheel lock. It is most likely the first of its kind with a ton of research, tweaking and days without sleep. The first film about this lock is finnaly here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cchjjwXuVdQ you can find the barrel here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FajYgHQI8aA Bolek thanks everyone that has helped him with his research and the comments. (Bolek forgot his pasword so i am posting this on his behalf)

20th July 2013, 06:20 PM	#8
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	The lock working, made by Bolek Maciaszczyk!!! http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search.php? The system works perfect, it is strong and makes a lot of sparks and guarentees to set of your main charge with eas

4th December 2011, 08:47 AM	#11
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Regarding the staff in Spiridonov's posts # 85-86: cannons may well reflect architecture of the period, but the staff - a.k.a. "pilgrim's staff" - is actually a weapon of its own with the ball forming a pommel and a handgaurd. The size is about the same as two-handed sword and deployment is a simplified version of fencing (no edge alignment, no trapping with the guard). Attached is another publication photo from 1978 of a different breech loader from the coast of Israel, bronze barrel with iron breech. The second photo shows the same cannon today (bottom), with another one made of iron. Attached Images