Tenggerese Keris

tunggulametung · 29th November 2010, 08:22 AM

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Gustav · 11th November 2011, 10:38 AM

Is ir possible, the Tenggerese have no keris culture at all? I have seen very few old photos with Tenggerese people, yet never a keris. It would mean, they were quite isolated froma very early point in the time.

A. G. Maisey · 11th November 2011, 11:05 AM

Entirely possible Gustav.

It depends upon what section of society they came from, and when.

David · 11th November 2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Is ir possible, the Tenggerese have no keris culture at all? I have seen very few old photos with Tenggerese people, yet never a keris. It would mean, they were quite isolated froma very early point in the time.

Well, i spent some time searching google images and did not spot a single photo, old or new, of Tenggerese with keris. Here are a selection of those images. Note that many of these are in ceremony or are of local priests where you would expect to find a keris even if they were not common amongst the general populous.

Jussi M. · 11th November 2011, 06:23 PM

Maybe they do not show their kerises in public?

David · 11th November 2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jussi M.

Maybe they do not show their kerises in public?

I suppose that is possible, but it seems counter to what we know about every other keris bearing culture. Surely, if not in regular day-to-day life, one would expect to see a keris in a ritual or ceremonial context.

Pusaka · 11th November 2011, 07:28 PM

Do the Tenggerese people have Silat, if so must be a very old style. Maybe the first question would be to ask them if they have Silat, if they say yes then ask them what weapons do they use/have

VVV · 11th November 2011, 09:54 PM

I once went through Hefner's Hindu Javanese. Tengger Tradition and Islam to find anything about the keris. The closest was on page 147 were Hefner compares a prayer in Tugel, the Tengger haircutting ceremony, as if forging [the pamor] of a javanese dagger with mixed metal. But to my disappointment there was no mentioning of any Tengger keris...

Michael

Jussi M. · 11th November 2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I suppose that is possible, but it seems counter to what we know about every other keris bearing culture. Surely, if not in regular day-to-day life, one would expect to see a keris in a ritual or ceremonial context.

Yeah, it is unlikely but either it is that or they do not have keris culture as we have learnt to know it. - Or maybe we just do not have enough material to draw conclusions from?

PenangsangII · 12th November 2011, 12:54 PM

why not look at Palembang kerises pre Sultan Agung period for the closest similarity with Majapahit kerises? And as for keris culture closest to Majapahit ahkir era, we can look to Kelantan, malaysia - once considered West Majapahit or Majapahit II. Keris culture in Malay populated areas have not evolved as much as in Jawa land

29th November 2010, 08:22 AM	#1
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	I believe all you need is a good pick up line. I have an American friend who's during his travel in Indonesia uses: "suka dangdut?" One of his best achievement by that line is Bluebird taxi driver ALWAYS allow him to smoke, something I NEVER be able to manage.

11th November 2011, 10:38 AM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Is ir possible, the Tenggerese have no keris culture at all? I have seen very few old photos with Tenggerese people, yet never a keris. It would mean, they were quite isolated froma very early point in the time.

11th November 2011, 11:05 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,069	Entirely possible Gustav. It depends upon what section of society they came from, and when.

11th November 2011, 06:23 PM	#5
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Maybe they do not show their kerises in public?

11th November 2011, 07:28 PM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Do the Tenggerese people have Silat, if so must be a very old style. Maybe the first question would be to ask them if they have Silat, if they say yes then ask them what weapons do they use/have

11th November 2011, 09:54 PM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I once went through Hefner's Hindu Javanese. Tengger Tradition and Islam to find anything about the keris. The closest was on page 147 were Hefner compares a prayer in Tugel, the Tengger haircutting ceremony, as if forging [the pamor] of a javanese dagger with mixed metal. But to my disappointment there was no mentioning of any Tengger keris... Michael

12th November 2011, 12:54 PM	#10
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	why not look at Palembang kerises pre Sultan Agung period for the closest similarity with Majapahit kerises? And as for keris culture closest to Majapahit ahkir era, we can look to Kelantan, malaysia - once considered West Majapahit or Majapahit II. Keris culture in Malay populated areas have not evolved as much as in Jawa land