Pattern-welded (twist core) Budiak

Gavin Nugent · 20th November 2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Would oak have been used for these poles or was another wood favored?

Lee, whilst I am not versed in the correct timbers used in native surrounds, something sits in the memory banks that this was discussed some time back and Lew from memory or a thread that Lew took part in mentioned the timbers strong enough for the purpose and I think maybe where to get them from too.

Edit; There ya go Battara got in first.

Gav

migueldiaz · 26th November 2010, 01:50 AM

Lee, thank you, too.

Attached are some more pics of various Philippine swords, some of which are Moro. Thanks.

migueldiaz · 26th November 2010, 08:05 AM

Here's some more pics, from Museo Naval in Spain ...

migueldiaz · 26th November 2010, 08:12 AM

More pics from Madrid's Museo Naval ...

Battara · 28th November 2010, 02:42 AM

Looking at this again I just noticed that there are a couple of spears that are in a similar condition to Lee's - torn brass or silver sleeves.

Maurice · 28th November 2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Attached are some more pics of various Philippine swords, some of which are Moro. Thanks.

The spear in the middle seem to have a similarity with the captain Chimmo budiak.
They both seem to have the same decoration band of swags carved at the wooden shaft, right below the brass socket.

Maurice

Lee · 9th July 2019, 03:31 PM

The contrast within the twist core pattern-welding of the budiak that this thread started with appears to have been enhanced by a small percentage of Nickel. X-Ray fluorescence analysis (so, surface averaged over an area of about a square centimeter) disclosed about half of one percent Nickel without other elements commonly used to enhance patterns. Perhaps, in this context, a meteoric origin might be suspected, but there was not strong technical evidence for this. The silver sleeve is of good grade, about 90 percent, with trace elements consistent with early 20th century or before.

kai · 9th July 2019, 05:24 PM

Hello Lee,

Thanks for your insights - I hope more of these data will get reported with the XRF technology becoming more and more available!

Could you make the full lists available, please? Always difficult to anticipate what may prove important later on...

The low level of nickel is to be expected and certainly does not indicate any meteorite content: Sourcing this iron from Luwu (or some other terrestrial origin) seems much more likely unless you hit any characteristic trace metal fingerprint.

Regards,
Kai

26th November 2010, 01:50 AM	#2
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Lee, thank you, too. Attached are some more pics of various Philippine swords, some of which are Moro. Thanks. Attached Images

26th November 2010, 08:05 AM	#3
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Here's some more pics, from Museo Naval in Spain ... Attached Images

26th November 2010, 08:12 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	More pics from Madrid's Museo Naval ... Attached Images

9th July 2019, 03:31 PM	#7
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 932	Technical details The contrast within the twist core pattern-welding of the budiak that this thread started with appears to have been enhanced by a small percentage of Nickel. X-Ray fluorescence analysis (so, surface averaged over an area of about a square centimeter) disclosed about half of one percent Nickel without other elements commonly used to enhance patterns. Perhaps, in this context, a meteoric origin might be suspected, but there was not strong technical evidence for this. The silver sleeve is of good grade, about 90 percent, with trace elements consistent with early 20th century or before.

28th November 2010, 02:42 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Looking at this again I just noticed that there are a couple of spears that are in a similar condition to Lee's - torn brass or silver sleeves.

9th July 2019, 05:24 PM	#8
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Lee, Thanks for your insights - I hope more of these data will get reported with the XRF technology becoming more and more available! Could you make the full lists available, please? Always difficult to anticipate what may prove important later on... The low level of nickel is to be expected and certainly does not indicate any meteorite content: Sourcing this iron from Luwu (or some other terrestrial origin) seems much more likely unless you hit any characteristic trace metal fingerprint. Regards, Kai