Yataghan Needing Translation (Ivory-Coral)

Battara · 19th November 2010, 03:41 AM

This translations raise at least 2 questions:

1. Since this praises Ali, would this mean that the owner was a Shi'ite?

2. Would these 7 sleepers be the 7 Imams hidden by God (according to the "Seveners" branch of Shi'ite Islam)?

Zulfikar I assume is the sword of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that had a nick in the tip.

Zifir · 19th November 2010, 09:41 AM

Battara,
I don't think the references to Hz. Ali necessarily makes the owner of this yatağan a shia since bravery of Ali and his valour in battle are common themes in Islamic literature. (by the way zulfikar was Ali's sword). But the title of the owner "Ağa/Agha" tell us that he was possibly from the military class, that title was usually used for janissaries.

For the seven sleepers, I am not really sure, but there was a similar discussion in this forum and Teodor offered an explanation based on his talks with a Bulgarian scientist, you can find it here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=sleepers

Best,

Zifir

Battara · 19th November 2010, 05:06 PM

Again thank you Zifir, very helpful.

In many cases in the Balkans, "Muslims" have either adopted or kept old Christian custom, ritual, or stories.

As far as a Jannisary is concerned, I know that Mahmud II destroyed the Jannisary class in I think 1826. But to know that this may have been a military class who owned this is great!

19th November 2010, 09:41 AM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Battara, I don't think the references to Hz. Ali necessarily makes the owner of this yatağan a shia since bravery of Ali and his valour in battle are common themes in Islamic literature. (by the way zulfikar was Ali's sword). But the title of the owner "Ağa/Agha" tell us that he was possibly from the military class, that title was usually used for janissaries. For the seven sleepers, I am not really sure, but there was a similar discussion in this forum and Teodor offered an explanation based on his talks with a Bulgarian scientist, you can find it here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=sleepers Best, Zifir Last edited by Zifir; 19th November 2010 at 06:31 PM.

19th November 2010, 03:41 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	This translations raise at least 2 questions: 1. Since this praises Ali, would this mean that the owner was a Shi'ite? 2. Would these 7 sleepers be the 7 Imams hidden by God (according to the "Seveners" branch of Shi'ite Islam)? Zulfikar I assume is the sword of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that had a nick in the tip.

19th November 2010, 05:06 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Again thank you Zifir, very helpful. In many cases in the Balkans, "Muslims" have either adopted or kept old Christian custom, ritual, or stories. As far as a Jannisary is concerned, I know that Mahmud II destroyed the Jannisary class in I think 1826. But to know that this may have been a military class who owned this is great!