Eastern Arms in Armeria Reale di Torino

B.I · 21st June 2005, 12:00 AM

one for s.e.asia and one for aqtai.
again, sorry for the quality

Andrew · 21st June 2005, 02:14 AM

Brian,

It looks like two descriptions there? One for the dha, one for the saber?

Mark Bowditch is traveling, but I believe he speaks Italian. If not, his wife does. I anticipate he'll be eager to translate.

A royal gift, indeed: http://www.answers.com/topic/umberto-i-of-italy

Best,
Andrew

B.I · 21st June 2005, 02:31 AM

hi andrew,
no, its all for the siam sword (i know the 'le dha' reference at the beginning of a new chapter is confusing.)
although the catalogue is in italian, each description is seperated which helps the non-italian speaking world.
there is another dha in the book which i'll try and post.
also, i'm happy to post the italian description of the dha if i can find it.
nice link, btw. what a strange looking guy.

Raja Muda · 21st June 2005, 02:38 AM

Just to add my two cents. I think the three headed elephant on the Thai coat of arms represents Erawan, the steed of the Vedic god Indra. There is a strong Brahmanic Vedic undertone to Thai Buddhism and royal customs.
The kings were named Rama after the hero of the Ramayana and if I'm not mistaken, Ayyuthayya was named after Rama's Ayodhiya in India. Rama is an incarnation of Vishnu sent to the world to destroy the evil Ravana.
I think this is in keeping with the Southeast Asian concept of the Devaraja or the divine qualities associated with the ruler through which he commands prestige and reverence.
Even though the Thai king is considered above politics, his views are still very much respected by all.
It is interesting to see the crossed dagger charge which represented the states of Northern Malaya, which were once under Thai suzerainity.
On some photographs of the grand palace in Bangkok, one could see the same coat of arms, and in place of the dagger, a proper keris with several luks and a kerdas style hulu crossed with its Malay style sampir.
Methinks the trisula is Javanese.

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Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Indra's Steed Just to add my two cents. I think the three headed elephant on the Thai coat of arms represents Erawan, the steed of the Vedic god Indra. There is a strong Brahmanic Vedic undertone to Thai Buddhism and royal customs. The kings were named Rama after the hero of the Ramayana and if I'm not mistaken, Ayyuthayya was named after Rama's Ayodhiya in India. Rama is an incarnation of Vishnu sent to the world to destroy the evil Ravana. I think this is in keeping with the Southeast Asian concept of the Devaraja or the divine qualities associated with the ruler through which he commands prestige and reverence. Even though the Thai king is considered above politics, his views are still very much respected by all. It is interesting to see the crossed dagger charge which represented the states of Northern Malaya, which were once under Thai suzerainity. On some photographs of the grand palace in Bangkok, one could see the same coat of arms, and in place of the dagger, a proper keris with several luks and a kerdas style hulu crossed with its Malay style sampir. Methinks the trisula is Javanese.

21st June 2005, 02:14 AM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Brian, It looks like two descriptions there? One for the dha, one for the saber? Mark Bowditch is traveling, but I believe he speaks Italian. If not, his wife does. I anticipate he'll be eager to translate. A royal gift, indeed: http://www.answers.com/topic/umberto-i-of-italy Best, Andrew

21st June 2005, 02:31 AM	#3
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi andrew, no, its all for the siam sword (i know the 'le dha' reference at the beginning of a new chapter is confusing.) although the catalogue is in italian, each description is seperated which helps the non-italian speaking world. there is another dha in the book which i'll try and post. also, i'm happy to post the italian description of the dha if i can find it. nice link, btw. what a strange looking guy.