Where is this sheat from?

David · 7th November 2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Sajen, this comment is not specifically directed at the hilt you have purchased, however, I've had a look at the items this seller lists for sale, and I was wondering exactly what sort of time span permits the description "old".

I read that you are not directing your comment specifically at this hilt, but given it's placement do you have reason to believe that this hilt does not have any significant age?

A. G. Maisey · 7th November 2010, 10:47 PM

In respect of Sajen's hilt, I do not know, because I cannot see it clearly enough.

What generated my question was the the other "old" items I have seen on this site, which are not necessarily keris related.

The comment is not about Sajen's hilt, it is about the concept of old.

A few months ago a friend bought an "old" keris hilt from an ebay seller in Queensland. He showed it to me and asked my opinion. It was about as old as last weekend's Sydney Morning Herald.

When he queried the description of "old" with the seller he was told it was most certainly old, in that it was no longer "new" --- whatever that might mean.

So now I'm asking for opinions on what we might think "old" means.

David · 7th November 2010, 11:54 PM

In regards to keris i wouldn't refer to anything that isn't at least pre-WW2 as "old", though that certainly isn't "really old".
In common practice something isn't considered "antique" until it is at least 100 years old, but i think it is fair to use the term old for items that don't quite qualify for "antique".

Rick · 8th November 2010, 12:38 AM

I'd accept 80 yrs as old ; antique is another matter; must be 100 yrs old .

BluErf · 8th November 2010, 04:28 AM

Good question on what is considered old. I'd go with 50-100yrs = vintage, 100yrs+ = antique. As for old, I realized even I use it loosely such that it could mean anything 20yrs or older. I'd consider <20yrs contemporary.

7th November 2010, 10:47 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	In respect of Sajen's hilt, I do not know, because I cannot see it clearly enough. What generated my question was the the other "old" items I have seen on this site, which are not necessarily keris related. The comment is not about Sajen's hilt, it is about the concept of old. A few months ago a friend bought an "old" keris hilt from an ebay seller in Queensland. He showed it to me and asked my opinion. It was about as old as last weekend's Sydney Morning Herald. When he queried the description of "old" with the seller he was told it was most certainly old, in that it was no longer "new" --- whatever that might mean. So now I'm asking for opinions on what we might think "old" means.

7th November 2010, 11:54 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,209	In regards to keris i wouldn't refer to anything that isn't at least pre-WW2 as "old", though that certainly isn't "really old". In common practice something isn't considered "antique" until it is at least 100 years old, but i think it is fair to use the term old for items that don't quite qualify for "antique".

8th November 2010, 12:38 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'd accept 80 yrs as old ; antique is another matter; must be 100 yrs old .

8th November 2010, 04:28 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Good question on what is considered old. I'd go with 50-100yrs = vintage, 100yrs+ = antique. As for old, I realized even I use it loosely such that it could mean anything 20yrs or older. I'd consider <20yrs contemporary.